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  1. Which R1 adjustable for D800e/sigma 8mm?

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    Thinking of one of the two R1 adjustable packages for use with Nikon D800e and Sigma 8mm. If that's the only combo i will be using, (i want to be able to shoot nadir) is there a compelling reason to chose one of the packages over the other?
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    Hi and welcome to the forum.

    To set things clear: there are two versions of this series: R1 with adjustable tilt head and second R10 series with static tilt head.

    R1: adjustable tilt between -15° and +12,5° http://shop.nodalninja.com/ultimate-...ly-no-rotator/ Just open the fixing knob to change to another tilt.

    Nadir shot by tilting down to >90°, move tripod aside and use full viewpoint correction version in stitching. Nadir shot is out of NPP using the built in nadir position. To be close to NPP it has to be shot handheld. Zenith can be covered by using for example +5° tilt depending on your combination. Best zenith shot is one shot at +90° using the center of the lens.
    There is a built in zenith position in R1 as well, but it let's the camera "fall down and move aside", so no NPP position. No problem outside with objects further away, well inside shooting real estate for example.

    R10: static tilt to the chosen tilt version of the head for example + -5° and 0° position. You have to unscrew the top clamp to change your tilt set up. Nadir must be shot handheld.

    http://shop.nodalninja.com/r10-static-tilt-head-only/

    Handheld nadir shots are easy for special situations: you should be trained to do it, you use shorter exposures, you do not shoot extended bracketing, 3 shots for example.

    Basics so far.

    Next question: what do you like to shoot. Shooting on a tripod is different from pole shots.

    Shooting on a pole most of us use the top tilted down to -7.5° and the lens ring footplate moved forward inside the clamp to get a smaller Nadir hole. Using R1 easy to be adjusted. Using R10 you have to unscrew and re fix your top clamp.

    R1/R10 can be used with different rotators, Mini Rotator or RD5 for example, and this a small and light weight solution. Think of carrying it up to the mountain.

    Another option: If your "Pre" is shooting Nadir with Nadir Adapter for example and Zenith in NPP position, size and weight is not so important, I should go for R1-S.
    Small new panohead that let's you shoot Zenith and Nadir in NPP position by fixing the lens ring in the rotator clamp on top of the vertical rail. For easy nadir shooting you can add the Nadir Adapter to lower rail and off you go. No handheld Nadir, so you can use long exposures, Zenith shot taken in center of the lens - best quality - or for example in 2 shots +60° pitch 180° visa versa to get connection from blue sky to corners of roofs or other ground info.

    http://shop.nodalninja.com/nn-rs-1/

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    Hope this helps a bit, but to make a good choice, "what is the difference" is not the only input to take your decision.
    Feel free to ask,
    Heinz
    Last edited by hindenhaag; 01-26-2013 at 11:50 PM.
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    R10 5 deg will be good. You can clone the nadir shot or patch with a handheld nadir shot.

    Nick



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    Hi Nick, even on a sunday morning.

    That's what NN Fanotec stands for! Best service.

    So long,
    Heinz
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    Thanks for your quick and detailed replies. My original question was concerning the two R1 packages available in the store, so I guess the proper question would have been "is there an advantage to the larger rotator with the setup I mentioned?"

    Now the detail I should have given at the outset:

    My initial project will be interior real estate (probably HDR) with a mix of indoor and outdoor from then on. I would like to be able to shoot the nadir from the tripod if possible. I will most likely want to get into pole shooting at some point in the future. My impression is that one of the R1 packages will provide the most flexibility moving forward.

    In terms of background, I currently shoot gigapixel panoramas using a gigapan robot and stitch with Autopano Giga. Iknow that I will have a lot to learn about this related but very different process.

    Thanks for your time and advice!
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    OK,

    The mini rotator is the smallest rotator with a fixed number of shots around depending on the top ring. To change number of shots around you have to buy another ring with a different set up. The mini rotator has a stop screw in the bottom, so it can not be locked being mounted. It can be mounted on top of tripod or on top of pole. It can not be used at the bottom of pole or on pole tripod adapter.

    RD5 has a lock knob and number of shots around which can be changed on the fly by changing the position of detend knob. Can be used on top of tripod or pole, plus below pole and on pole tripod adapter or on footplate. In all: more flexibility to panos needs shooting different locations and with different camera-lens combinations.

    Sorry to say, real estate, probably HDR, Nadir from tripod with R1/R10 is not the best way to shoot a pano. As you can see in the set of pics I uploaded, R1 Nadir and Zenith position are out of NPP. Specially real estate pics often have a problem in zenith area because of lack of control points in ceiling area. Objects are closer to the lens, shots outside NPP will ask a lot of time during stitching to correct stitching errors. Of course +5° pitch will cover the zenith, fine for outdoors, but not for all situations indoor. I've seen a lot of examples with stitching problems in the zenith, which needed zenith shots at +60° 180° visa versa to get connection from shots at 0° to ceiling area. You will probably have to step over to HDR bracketing for example with +2 / -2EV as set of three to be able to deal with different light from the windows and inside areas. Shoot in "mirror up"and "CL"mode to get good pics with D800. Shooting Nadir with R1 will ask you to set control points manually during stitching.

    To cut it short, I have experience with R1, R1-S, Mini Rotator, RD5, used with tripod or poles. Plus D3/D700 and Sigma 8mm. If I would be you, I'd go for R1-S with Nadir Adapter. But you have to take your own decision for your future plans.

    May be you can ask your reseller to test both set ups and send one back in case it is not damaged.

    Cheers,
    Heinz

    Btw: FX, sigma 3.5, 0°, +5°, +7.5°, Zenith +60° visa versa, zenith 90°, Nadir1, Nadir2, for stitching play around to see Zenit and Nadir holes etc D700 Sigma 8mm/f3.5

    http://ge.tt/2vAKMfW

    In this set up you have a lot more zenith infos than in normal real estate with a plain ceiling.
    Last edited by hindenhaag; 01-27-2013 at 03:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosleyh View Post
    Thanks for your quick and detailed replies. My original question was concerning the two R1 packages available in the store, so I guess the proper question would have been "is there an advantage to the larger rotator with the setup I mentioned?"

    Now the detail I should have given at the outset:

    My initial project will be interior real estate (probably HDR) with a mix of indoor and outdoor from then on. I would like to be able to shoot the nadir from the tripod if possible. I will most likely want to get into pole shooting at some point in the future. My impression is that one of the R1 packages will provide the most flexibility moving forward.

    In terms of background, I currently shoot gigapixel panoramas using a gigapan robot and stitch with Autopano Giga. Iknow that I will have a lot to learn about this related but very different process.

    Thanks for your time and advice!
    Rotator Mini is build for cost. RD5 or RD4 factory irregular will be much better choice.

    Nick



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  8. #8

    After additional thought and research, I've opted for the Nikon 16mm instead of the sigma (more shots aroiund, yes but I think the added resolution will be worth it. Also I think the lens will be more useful outside of pano-ing). My R1 kit lands Friday. Now let's see if I can find the proper settings hereabouts. . .
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