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  1. NN4 & Nikon 16-35 F4

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    New to panos, NN and this forum, so please be kind

    Seriously thinking of upgrading my kit to a Nikon D600 and really like the look of the Nikon 16-35mm F4. This is quite a big/heavy lens, and wondered if anyone had any experience of using it for panos and if it will fit onto an NN4 ?

    Won't do enough panos to justify fisheye or prime UW, hence the 16-35 which should work well for indoor (real estate) stills and landscape. Are there better alternatives that will do same job, at similar price point ?
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    Hi Kevin,

    With this ultrawide lenses you will have to shoot min 2 rows plus zenith and nadir shots to get a spherical pano. http://www.photozone.de/nikon_ff/492..._afs_1635_4_ff

    You can do that but besides giving higher resolution, it might give more problems shooting in busy places. That means a lot of things are moving, cars, trams, people etc. This means when you shoot your second row, cars, people etc have moved their places to that one in the first row set of shots. This means you have to spend more time on stitching removing ghosts etc.

    http://www.vrwave.com/panoramic-lens-database/nikon/

    A good alternative would be the Samyang 8mm Nikon AE : http://www.cameranu.nl/en/objectieve..._16044_229094/

    A very good price for a good lens. A lot of forum members use it of have tested it. It has manual focus, but this does not matter because you set it once at hyperfocal distance and on you go. But you have to shave the lens hood to use it on FX bodies. You need for shots around when it is shaved. If you are interested in this lens, let me know to get some more information about shaving services. Tobias Volmer can do it for you. I prefer this lens to my Sigma 8mm.

    http://michel.thoby.free.fr/SAMYANG/...%20report.html

    As far as weight is concerned, the nikkor 16-35mm/f4 D600 will fit to NN4. I suppose the length of the upper rail as well, but I did not test it.

    The Samyang 8mm lens would make your start in panos much easier, no waste of money. Once you are used to it, you will love it. Based on lens design it is more a 9mm lens in stitching.

    On FX Bodies we often use the nikkor prime lenses: 14-24, 24-70, 70-200, 16mm fisheye or shaved 10.5mm fisheye lens. But this is another price range of lenses.

    Feel free to ask,

    Heinz
    Last edited by hindenhaag; 09-27-2012 at 11:48 AM.
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    Thanks Heinz - that's really helpful. I'll have a serious look at the Samyang 8mm and see if that would be a better starting place. Your point about 2 rows is well made.

    Would still be good to know of the 16-35 F4 will fit the top rail of the NN4, as I'd like to have the option of using it for 100 x 360 indoor panos (1 pass, no N&Z). The lens is 125mm long so I have my doubts.
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    Kevin,

    The definite border line is given by focal length, not by length of the lens. It is defined by the entrance pupil of the lens at different focus settings. The 14-24mm/f2.8mm asks an upper rail setting of 122mm for example, it would not fit to NN4 because the upper rail is shorter.

    In case of the samyang be sure to get the newer Nikon AE lens.

    some links: http://michel.thoby.free.fr/

    http://michel.thoby.free.fr/SAMYANG/Samyang_shaved.jpg

    http://www.lenstip.com/index.php?tes...wu&test_ob=160

    http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/52...f35eos?start=2
    Last edited by hindenhaag; 09-27-2012 at 12:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hindenhaag View Post
    Kevin,

    The definite border line is given by focal length, not by length of the lens. It is defined by the entrance pupil of the lens at different focus settings. The 14-24mm/f2.8mm asks an upper rail setting of 122mm for example, it would not fit to NN4 because the upper rail is shorter.

    In case of the samyang be sure to get the newer Nikon AE lens.

    some links: http://michel.thoby.free.fr/

    http://michel.thoby.free.fr/SAMYANG/Samyang_shaved.jpg

    http://www.lenstip.com/index.php?tes...wu&test_ob=160

    http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/52...f35eos?start=2
    Heinz,

    Have taken your good advice and ordered the Samyang 8mm. Looks like that will do the job nicely - much less effort and potentially great results with a FF Nikon. Only now have to decide how best to have it shaved - DIY or send it away ? There are plenty of examples (good and bad) of some DIY attempts which I'll study very carefully first

    Thanks for your help.
    Kevin
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    Heinz,

    Have taken your advice and ordered the Samyang 8mm. Looks like a great starting point for panos with minimum effort and decent quality. So, only decision left is whether or not I take on the shaving of the lens myself or pass it off to someone else at cost. There is lots of info on how to DIY it - some good, some not so great. What's you view - DIY with care - or better to pay someone to do it for me ?

    thanks again,
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    It is quite tricky when you are not used and well equipped with tools.

    Send it to Tobias: http://www.360pano.de/en/tokina-sigma-nikon.html

    No risk for you.

    Pleasure,
    Heinz
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    Heinz, that's good advice ....but I'm a sucker for a challenge and decided to tackle the shaving myself.

    Took 2 hours and result was pretty good following the advice and experiences of other owners. Now just have to find the best way of adapting that blasted lens cap !

    thanks again
    Kevin
    Last edited by kevin6270; 10-11-2012 at 09:42 AM.
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    Tobias would have given you a new one. Anyway, congrats you got it.

    In case you still have it the rest, I glued the rest of the lens hood inside the cap and added some tape to be fixed to the lens.

    Heinz
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