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    Hi

    Has anyone out there tried the new Nadir Adapter for NN3 and NN5 series Nodal Ninja panorama heads. Would be interested to see some results with this kit.

    Cheers

    Brian
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    Yes me to

    I am currently considering purchasing one, am using D200, NN3, EZ-leveller & Nikon 10.5mm.

    Does anyone have any sample images they could show taken with the Nadir adaptor? I am currently using a tripod cap logo at present but would love to be able to get this nadir thing sorted
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    Hi Guys,

    what tripods are you using? I am testing both NN3 and NN5. The adaptor sets a lot of torque to the equipment and the camera will move down. To re-level, I would recommend to use an EZ-Leveller II and a 2/3 way bubble leveler in the cameras flash shoe. Then it is easy to re-level.

    The NN has to be set in 90° to two legs of the tripod. As DennisS advised, you have to be aware that a long center column may interfere even alpha masked. Use a short center column and a tripod with stiff center column attachment.

    I used a Manfrotto 055ProB for my panos a long time, but with the swivel the center column moves. The problem of a little bit unstable center column was reported before with the manfrotto by Pros.

    Actually, I now use Gitzo GT1541 for NN3/R1 for light weight and travel and Feisol CT3372LV for NN5 D3 Nikkor 14-24/f2.8 without center column ( interchangeable plate ) or with center column and monopod for pole pano. Rock solid.

    Use the legs spread out and do some test shots, use for the best wireless control to get your body out of the pics. Turning out the swivel, turn the equipment holding it on the hight of the rotator knob. Before turning, fix the rotator with both, fixing knob and detend plunger. Turn around, fix the swivel screw, take shot, IMMEDIATELY turn the nadir adaptor back and fix the screw before you do anything else.

    I leave my legs, the two in front, spread out and do not set them to 90° in vertical. BOTH, NN5 AND NN3 WITH NADIR ADAPTOR TURNED OUT MIGHT BEND OVER >85° EVEN WITH SPREAD OUT LEGS. That's Physics, isn't it? Take care of your equipment.

    Conclusion: Great addition to the NN products. Easier to use than old way 2 nadir visa versa + handheld shot. Freedom to get nadir in long exposure situations. Saves one shot visa versa, think of bracketing.

    Accessories required: for my personal opinion Ez-Leveller II, 2/3way bubble leveller, wireless remote control

    TRIPOD WITH STABLE CENTER COLUMN.

    I will send pics later.

    Regards

    Heinz

    BTW Brian, what camera lens combi do u use?





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    Important addition:

    only re-level the bubble leveller on the camera in both bubbles of the 2-way leveller. Do not think of the one on the rotator. This will stay off center. But this doesn't matter because we only have to re-level the camera.

    I use a cord to control the repositioning of the tripod to NPP and a coin below the tripod before moving.

    Success

    Heinz
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    For Users of NN3 with nadir adaptor:

    You have to reduce the LRS by 6 mm, because there is an offset of 6 mm of the vertical rail to the important corner of the nadir adaptor to lower rail. You will see once you have mounted the vertical rail of the NN3 to the adaptor. This is the measurement for my equipment NN3 MKII. Test your own equipment to be sure about this.

    Heinz
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    The Nadir shot is in the center, the patch shot has the tripod off to the left. Note the orientation of the pano head to the tripod. That is critical to using the swivel correctly.

    Here is a quick tutorial on processing the images with PTGui. http://www.dlsphoto.net/Tutorials/NadirPatch2/index.htm

    There is a lot of side load with the camera swiveled out. I use a D300 + 10.5mm lens and found that the NN3 lower rail is not really up to the task with the D300. The NN3 is not designed for larger DSL cameras in the first place. I use Manfrotto 055x series of tripods. Neither the standard or pivoting center column models flex when the camera is swung out. Most vertical movement comes from flex in the lower arm of the pano head or a leveler. Whatever tripod you get, order a short center column.

    A lot of people do not use any leveling device. It is easy to adjust the tripod legs in order to level your rig. You do not need to be perfectly level anyway. With the camera swung out, any vertical movement should be compensated for in your stitching software. The point of the swivel is to make capturing the Nadir patch shot as easy and quick as possible. When you start adjusting your rig between the patch shot and the rest of your panorama, you are adding more steps to the capture process. The ideal steps are to take the Nadir, swing the camera out, slide your rig over, take the patch shot, swivel your camera back and off you go to the next panorama.

    Look at the swivel as another step in your process. Try it without the leveler to see if that works for you. If you find that vertical movement of the camera is causing you more time in stitching, then relevel the rig between shots. You should not have to mess with the tripod legs. If you are, then you are not correctly set up in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hindenhaag View Post
    Hi Guys,

    what tripods are you using? I am testing both NN3 and NN5. The adaptor sets a lot of torque to the equipment and the camera will move down. To re-level, I would recommend to use an EZ-Leveller II and a 2/3 way bubble leveler in the cameras flash shoe. Then it is easy to re-level.

    The NN has to be set in 90° to two legs of the tripod. As DennisS advised, you have to be aware that a long center column may interfere even alpha masked. Use a short center column and a tripod with stiff center column attachment.

    I used a Manfrotto 055ProB for my panos a long time, but with the swivel the center column moves. The problem of a little bit unstable center column was reported before with the manfrotto by Pros.

    Actually, I now use Gitzo GT1541 for NN3/R1 for light weight and travel and Feisol CT3372LV for NN5 D3 Nikkor 14-24/f2.8 without center column ( interchangeable plate ) or with center column and monopod for pole pano. Rock solid.

    Use the legs spread out and do some test shots, use for the best wireless control to get your body out of the pics. Turning out the swivel, turn the equipment holding it on the hight of the rotator knob. Before turning, fix the rotator with both, fixing knob and detend plunger. Turn around, fix the swivel screw, take shot, IMMEDIATELY turn the nadir adaptor back and fix the screw before you do anything else.

    I leave my legs, the two in front, spread out and do not set them to 90° in vertical. BOTH, NN5 AND NN3 WITH NADIR ADAPTOR TURNED OUT MIGHT BEND OVER >85° EVEN WITH SPREAD OUT LEGS. That's Physics, isn't it? Take care of your equipment.

    Conclusion: Great addition to the NN products. Easier to use than old way 2 nadir visa versa + handheld shot. Freedom to get nadir in long exposure situations. Saves one shot visa versa, think of bracketing.

    Accessories required: for my personal opinion Ez-Leveller II, 2/3way bubble leveller, wireless remote control

    TRIPOD WITH STABLE CENTER COLUMN.

    I will send pics later.

    Regards

    Heinz

    BTW Brian, what camera lens combi do u use?
    Heinz

    My rig consists of NikonD90 & D2, 10.5 fisheye, NN3, Ez leveler & Velbron DV-7000. Pretty standard set up really. The Velbron is a video tripod and as such is quite heavy, but very, very stable., however a real pain to carry any distance. Look forward to your pics.

    Brian
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    Hi,

    I have set up a panorama with D200, Nikkor 10.5, NN3 and Nadir Adaptor. The set includes 2 videos, one about preparing, alpha mask nadir and stitching the panorama with PTGuiPro and PS CS4. The second one explains the set up of the rig and shows the effect of the nadir adaptor.

    Two maps include the pics of the pano - for those who want to play around on their own - and the pics of the D200, 10.5, NN3, Ez-LevellerII Gitzo GT 1541T

    The workflow in the video shows my own decision to create a panorama, there are many ways to Rome and might be that others do it in another way. Same with using the EZ-LevellerII, I can do it as well without it and use the tripod legs to adjust, I simply prefer to use the leveller instead of adjusting tripods legs.

    I have set this up cause there have been questions around the nadir adaptor, stitching, and alpha masks. Just to try to give "newbies" a help to start up. Not to start a lot of threads with those who know how to do it. Camera orientation "on'' "off" etc.

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...aptorVideo.zip Video

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechute/D200_10.zip Pics of pano

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...dirAdaptor.zip Video

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...dirAdaptor.zip Pics of Set Up

    Think it helps a little bit,

    regards

    Heinz








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    Quote Originally Posted by hindenhaag View Post
    I have set up a panorama with D200, Nikkor 10.5, NN3 and Nadir Adaptor. The set includes 2 videos, one about preparing, alpha mask nadir and stitching the panorama with PTGuiPro and PS CS4. The second one explains the set up of the rig and shows the effect of the nadir adaptor.

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...aptorVideo.zip Video

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechute/D200_10.zip Pics of pano

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...dirAdaptor.zip Video

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...dirAdaptor.zip Pics of Set Up

    Hi Heniz,

    Thanks a lot for spending your time make the tutorial videos. It will help a lot of people learning how to use the nadir adapter and nadir patching in general.
    A suggestion. Maybe you can reduce the video resolution to help people with slower internet connection.


    Nick
    Last edited by nick fan; 07-29-2010 at 01:37 AM.



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    Hi Nick,

    I will try to make a revision next weekend and follow some hints I got from John. Actually I did not mingle around with ghosts and CA in first case, just wanted to show the workflow. But seeing this discussion, I will try to add a part on how to use the tripod to get enough room to reach the area below the tripod.

    Cellarman, what sort of head are you using on your tripod. I would not have expected such a big plate.

    Heinz
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    Hi Heinz

    Thanks for taking the time t produce and upload these. The links seem to be broken at the moment. Could you upload them again? I would love to see thee before I consider the Nadir adapter.
    Thanks
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    I am working on these. There will be infos about nadir adaptor soon.

    Heinz
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    Hi,
    I shot this pano as a nadir adapter test. Cannot stitch nadir correctly. Also, I included two nadirs masked by me.
    I would appreciate, if someone would tell me what am I doing wrong.
    Should I be tilting lens -15 deg down and shoot nadirs at 90 deg down?
    here are my images:
    http://sharesend.com/51j15
    Thank you!
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    Adamo,

    Providing pictures really helps diagnose what is going on.

    Take a look at the first page of this thread. You will see an image showing the Nadir shot with the patch shot overlayed.

    Your pano head is not oriented correctly with the tripod.

    Orienting the pano head with your tipod is critical, or the images will not work.

    With your camera pointing down to take the Nadir shot, one tripod leg should be pointing straight out into the middle of the picture.

    When you swing the camera out and slide your rig over, you will see two tripod legs in the picture, spread out so you have a clear shot of the floor.

    Dennis
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    Quote Originally Posted by hindenhaag View Post
    Hi,

    I have set up a panorama with D200, Nikkor 10.5, NN3 and Nadir Adaptor. The set includes 2 videos, one about preparing, alpha mask nadir and stitching the panorama with PTGuiPro and PS CS4. The second one explains the set up of the rig and shows the effect of the nadir adaptor.

    Two maps include the pics of the pano - for those who want to play around on their own - and the pics of the D200, 10.5, NN3, Ez-LevellerII Gitzo GT 1541T

    The workflow in the video shows my own decision to create a panorama, there are many ways to Rome and might be that others do it in another way. Same with using the EZ-LevellerII, I can do it as well without it and use the tripod legs to adjust, I simply prefer to use the leveller instead of adjusting tripods legs.

    I have set this up cause there have been questions around the nadir adaptor, stitching, and alpha masks. Just to try to give "newbies" a help to start up. Not to start a lot of threads with those who know how to do it. Camera orientation "on'' "off" etc.

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...aptorVideo.zip Video

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechute/D200_10.zip Pics of pano

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...dirAdaptor.zip Video

    http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechu...dirAdaptor.zip Pics of Set Up

    Think it helps a little bit,

    regards

    Heinz
    Hi Heinz

    Love to get my hands on these video/pictures. :)

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