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  • Coming Soon: Zenith / Nadir Adapter for Nodal Ninja Ultimate R1 and R10

    Since their introduction in 2009, Nodal Ninja Ultimate R1 and R10 have been the obvious choice for panoramic photographers needing an ultra compact pano head for traveling, backpacking or when weight and size is a concern. When used with a circular or cropped circular fisheye lens, with an equivalent focal length less than 13mm, it is possible to encompass the zenith (up shot) without actually needing to shoot this separately. What this leaves however is the rotator and tripod footprint and / or some blank space at the nadir (down shot) which is usually patched or covered using logos or effects like mirror balls, and other various patching techniques created using photo editing software. There are many however who prefer to take separate nadir, and even zenith, shots by various means to not only improve overall quality at these points but also to create a full 360x180 degree free floating spherical panorama "without" evidence of tripod caps or photo editing. When used with a full frame fisheye lens, with an equivalent focal length of 15-17mm, the zenith and/or nadir shots are mandatory if those areas need to be included. These will usually be taken from a position that is offset from the ideal NPP (no-parallax point), which requires a more complex workflow during post editing.
    Fanotec is proud to announce a compact and easy to use "Zenith / Nadir Adapter". Using this adapter will not only make the lives of perfectionists and full frame fisheye users much easier but will also cut post production times down, making it a perfect companion to the R1 and R10 series heads.


    The Zenith / Nadir Adapter allows the users to tilt their R1 / R10 to one of three preset tilt angles, -90 deg or -(90 ±7.5 deg). This will allow all models of R1/ R10 to take nadir shots at exactly -90 deg or -90 ±2.5 deg depending on the tilt angle of R1 / R10 in use. The shift in vertical height of the NPP can be compensated by raising the tripod center column. The included lock ring will aid in remembering the required height compensation. The tripod can be moved laterally to bring the lens back to NPP as close as possible. Together with advanced stitching software, the shooting of a perfect nadir and/or zenith shot is now possible.




    Shooting nadir to zenith is as simple as rotating the RD4 rotator by 180 degrees.
    This adapter can also be used with R1 / R10 on a pole or monopod without an RD4 rotator (the rotator should be placed at the base of pole or monopod). The optional Quick Mount Mini is needed to keep the footprint as small as possible to facilitate stitching if using in this fashion.

    The adapter together with the lock ring will have an introductory price of only $39.95 and will be available in the first quarter of 2011.
    Last edited by nick fan; 12-14-2010, 03:24 AM.

  • kokkarin
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    I hope... I am waiting for

    kok

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  • Vincèn
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    Originally posted by Mr_Q8ty View Post
    any update on release date ?
    very soon now :D

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  • Mr_Q8ty
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    any update on release date ?

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  • hindenhaag
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    Hi Nick,

    Thx for reply,

    Heinz

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  • nick fan
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    Originally posted by hindenhaag View Post
    Hi Nick,

    I played around with quick mount mini. I am referring to your picture with the Quick Mount Mini and adapter on top of pole without rotator. The easiest way for me to change Nadir Zenith position would be to turn the camera around the quick mount mini plate. This would be quicker for me than to take off the lens ring and turn the camera around. My question: to get the quick mount mini in a fixed position + - 90°, you could use the B1 holes at the bottom of the clamp. Can you add a feathered ball klick screw which uses the B1 holes to klick in and give a fixed +- 90° position? And add a white mark on the outside of the quick mount mini clamp which corresponds to a mark on the new adaptor to have a visible sign besides the klick? I do not know wether there is room enough to add the klick ball screw.

    Just some thoughts to try to make it easy to change from Nadir to Zenith without taking the system apart but just loosen the quick mount mini screw a little bit?

    http://www.ganter-griff.de/?cmd=norm...1031&pageID=14

    Cheers,
    Heinz
    The screws at the base of QM mini is for anti-twisting purpose. A click ball will not be strong enough for this purpose. The adapter plate can unwind itself and camera can fall.
    Besides, with many precise sockets and holes for alignment with different NNs, cost of QM mini is quite high already. Adding click ball will make further complication.
    I can try to shorten the head of the anti-twisting screws so that you won't need to fully unscrew the tighten knob of QM mini adapter.

    Nick
    Last edited by nick fan; 01-14-2011, 07:18 AM.

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  • firehell
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    太棒了 希望尽快能买到


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    Nick's Chinese to English Translation:

    "Oh, great! I hope to buy it soon."

    :-)

    Nick

    PS although the forum support multi-languages, it is best to keep the discussion in English only.
    Last edited by nick fan; 01-14-2011, 07:16 AM.

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  • hindenhaag
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    Hi Nick,

    I played around with quick mount mini. I am referring to your picture with the Quick Mount Mini and adapter on top of pole without rotator. The easiest way for me to change Nadir Zenith position would be to turn the camera around the quick mount mini plate. This would be quicker for me than to take off the lens ring and turn the camera around. My question: to get the quick mount mini in a fixed position + - 90°, you could use the B1 holes at the bottom of the clamp. Can you add a feathered ball klick screw which uses the B1 holes to klick in and give a fixed +- 90° position? And add a white mark on the outside of the quick mount mini clamp which corresponds to a mark on the new adaptor to have a visible sign besides the klick? I do not know wether there is room enough to add the klick ball screw.

    Just some thoughts to try to make it easy to change from Nadir to Zenith without taking the system apart but just loosen the quick mount mini screw a little bit?

    http://www.ganter-griff.de/?cmd=norm...1031&pageID=14

    Cheers,
    Heinz
    Last edited by hindenhaag; 01-13-2011, 11:05 PM.

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  • spiritburner
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    perfecto!!!!
    gracias

    neil

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  • Vincèn
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    Originally posted by spiritburner View Post
    Make sure they get sent to Vincen in France as I want one pleeeease!
    Don't worry as soon as they are avalaible, I'll have them in stock

    Vincèn

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  • spiritburner
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    Make sure they get sent to Vincen in France as I want one pleeeease!

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  • hindenhaag
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    Let's try to go back to basics.

    Beside everything else, focus has to be set to manual. You can not use autofocus. But this has nothing to do with "NP", non parallax point. NPP is the upper rail setting which serve to have the same view though you are turning around your system. "your are standing on one place just turning around." Always the same point of view to see what is around you.. So you will get a good stitch in the pano. But when you start moving around to take the second view, to the side or forward, you take another point of view. Suddenly you might see another building being hided from the first point of view. This is something different. You can not stitch this. This is NPP you have to find for your camera lens combination at first.

    Now the focus problem: your eye will try to adopt to every point you are looking to. But not the lens. Being related to the aperture you use, you can focus to different points. Once you focused, there is a certain room of distance in which you feel everything is sharp. This is the depth of field. Related to the aperture you use on a special lens. And then you will find "hyperfocal distance". A focus setting which is used to a special aperture to get to know that there is sharpness from...."1.5 m to infinity".

    Just try to google: NPP, Depth of field, Hyperfocal Distance, etc

    http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/

    If you already know about all this, just ignore the link and my comment. We do not know how much experience you have.

    Regards,
    Heinz
    Last edited by hindenhaag; 12-22-2010, 09:49 AM.

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  • hindenhaag
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    Yes, you have to use the specific ring.

    Have a look: http://store.nodalninja.com/categori...or-R1-%26-R10/ This is what is available right now. Only some very specific zoom lenses like Tokina 10-17mm with it's own ring.

    There has to be a place on the lens that can take all forces of the system without disturbing it and which is not moving to take the ring, plus there have to be customers to buy a special made ring. Plus this system originally was designed for 3, 4 or 6 shots around. Light weight, for crowded places, outdoors, can be used on a monopod etc. Now with the new Nadir Zenith adaptor coming early 2011, this is a full system on it's own.

    But!? If you like to step into experiments: The clamp of R1 / R10 is a arca style clamp. It will take all arca style camera plates. Wimberley, Kirk, Real Right Stuff etc. Mount this plate in lens axis to you camera body. It has to be a little bit longer than the NPP distance to use the total length of the clamp of R1 /R10 because of torque. Check the amount of stops you need for your lens, might be it is not available on the RD4 rotator. But you can split the R1 into top and rotator. Use a pole in between or the place the top on top of the RD16 with the new quick mini system. Try to play around as I did.

    My personal comment: you are fully equipped right now. If you like to shoot in crowded places with little space around you, like to use a pole, take a tiny little equipment on the road, add a R1/ R10, Mini adaptor system, add a monopod, a baby tripod or a tiny nice Gitzo tripod. Or the new bottom to monopods! Brilliant! Thx guys.

    There is only one problem left to you: The menu card to pick a dish is expanded month by month. Because Bill and Nick as owners try to give best service and they listen to customers demands. And the result of all this are the new products and the best service I ever met. The only gap you have might be the R1/ R10 in the menu of your equipment. Be sure I know what I am talking about using R1, NN3 MKII, NN5, Pole System, Ez-Leveller II, with several Nikon Bodies and lenses. My intension: to give fair comments based on own experience to try to see a light at the end of a tunnel with growing infos and possibilities, you must not follow up my own faults having spend a lot of money in other systems.

    This forum always has been open for new solutions. May be we'll hear about one.

    Cheers,
    Heinz

    BTW: Feel free to ask

    And as you can realize with Nick's answer while I was sending mine, "they listen, no problem to contact, great service"
    Last edited by hindenhaag; 12-22-2010, 08:26 AM.

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  • nick fan
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    Originally posted by zapyan View Post
    Hi
    Really appreciate your fast replies
    So majority of upgrades seem to focus n clamp of the NN system and ease of manipulation.

    Regarding R1: only for fisheylenses.
    a) But can it not be used with fixed focal length lenses? Why, because of the specific rings?
    Because R1/10 will move the lens away from the NPP when tilt angle is changed. So R1/10 can only be a single row pano head. For 360x180 deg pano, only fisheye lenses have enough coverage.
    On the other hand, it is possible to make more lens rings for primes, should the they suit for SAFE clamping. Then it can be attached to the new Modular system to form a very compact pano head.

    Nick

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  • zapyan
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    Hi
    Really appreciate your fast replies
    So majority of upgrades seem to focus n clamp of the NN system and ease of manipulation.

    Regarding R1: only for fisheylenses.
    a) But can it not be used with fixed focal length lenses? Why, because of the specific rings?

    If I use the R16 with R1 (the one without rotator) I can setup all angle need/require for the specific lens. And Best: I just need one setting for the lens and can use any camera I want.
    I find that system amazing. Hopefully there will be more development in this field as I love the idea to have one lens/panoring combo per lens.

    b) Perhaps if autofocus are problematic imagine a system with a card you point at with your camera. Depending on the zoom/focal length set some values appear/sharpen on the card. User can then setup his NP position and start shooting. What do you think of ?
    Last edited by zapyan; 12-22-2010, 06:56 AM.

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