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Johnytuono
12-11-2013, 03:28 PM
Hi
I bought a custom plate for my Nikon D800 to use with my Ultimate M1 but I would be really interested in a 'L' bracket version, I don't know if this is a viable option. I do have a Kirk 'L' bracket but obviously I've got to line it up every time I use it (if and when I take the U3 off). So, a self-aligning one would be great to keep on and use with my ball head.
This is obviously more aimed at Nick.
Thanks
John

nick fan
12-11-2013, 07:19 PM
Obviously, we will make L-bracket at the end. We need to study how to make them at a lower cost. Also, they are more likely to be camera specific. Which will be costly to keep the inventory. We need to be better in management. The other choice is to make auto aligning plate for RRS and Kirk.

Nick

waters 60
12-12-2013, 01:27 PM
Try
http://shop.nodalninja.com/stop-plate-arca-swiss-style-2ea-f2106/

You will need to center your lens on the horizontal arm, but once done you can put a stop plate on your L bracket to register. I adapted a Kirk clamp for my NN3 horizontal arm years ago. With a Kirk plate on my D7000 the stop plate takes the guesswork out of setting up.

Johnytuono
12-12-2013, 03:08 PM
Thanks for the reply Nick and waters60.
@Waters60........yep I did actually try a stop plate but I was unsure where to centre the 'L' bracket because on the U3 with the self aligning piece of plastic it 'seems' slightly off-centre when looking through the viewfinder, so, do I centre everything over the tripod screw or set up like the U3, off centre?
The other thing, obviously, is when I tried the stop plate, I couldn't put the camera on a flat surface as it was lop-sided....I could have added another stop plate the other side but then it starts to look a little bit ridiculous. As Nick said, either a self aligning plate for Kirk etc or make a specific camera one. I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable amount for the right product either way.
Thanks
John

hindenhaag
12-13-2013, 09:55 AM
John,

Do you need to move the L-Bracket aside to get space to between the body and the bracket? And when do you need to do it?

Heinz

sdphoto
12-13-2013, 12:11 PM
Try the L-Bracket from Really Right Stuff. Each one has a center point marked for your specific camera (both horizontal and vertical). I believe Kirk has started doing this also, but I don't know if all of them have it.

Johnytuono
12-13-2013, 12:13 PM
Hi Heinz
Not quite sure what you mean. What I want is to have an 'L' bracket that self aligns like the U3 plate, then I can use it for 'normal' photography. I did try using a stop plate (as per the above post) but am not sure about my Kirk bracket alignment. Also, by just using 1 stop plate I can't put the camera down on a flat surface (say, a table top) to take a picture as it's obviously lop sided.
Maybe, if the U3 had a tripod screw underneath I could screw the Kirk to the the underside of the U3 plate for the times when I wanted to use it on a tripod in the portrait orientation.
Thanks
John

Johnytuono
12-13-2013, 12:16 PM
@sdphoto.....yes my Kirk does have a centre mark but when I align with this the view is slightly off centre to what the U3 plate is. Also, I take many of my shots in the dark so some sort of self alignment would be a great help.....that's why I bought the U3 plate.....but don't want to keep taking it off to use my Kirk.
Thanks
John

hindenhaag
12-13-2013, 11:55 PM
John,

You can move the L-Bracket aside leaving it on the body to clear the space between the body and the connections. I know what you are looking for. I am just checking the possibilities.

Heinz

Johnytuono
12-14-2013, 07:32 AM
Hi Heinz
Thanks for the reply, when I do put the Kirk bracket on it fits to just about a couple of mm off the camera body side and like you say it does slide to one side to get access to the camera USB port etc., although I do use the port when I connect my Camranger. Somehow being able to mount the U3 plate to the Kirk bracket would be a solution, then I could keep the U3 on but just connect the Kirk when I want to take portrait orientation shots. I do have a pan and tilt head but obviously all the weight, not to mention having to adjust the shot, is to one side.
John

hindenhaag
12-14-2013, 09:15 AM
Hi John,

The problem is that the click stop plate of NN mounted to the Kirk L-Bracket will not allow you to move the L-Bracket aside because it is blocked by the click stop plate of NN. This is what you have to live with having a L-Bracket with automatic align NN Stop.

Can you live with this?

Does the Kirk L-Bracket allow you to open the connection cover when it is centered?

Heinz

Johnytuono
12-14-2013, 11:13 AM
Hi Heinz
No it doesn't allow me to open the connection cover when centred, I would have to partially open it before centreing the Kirk on the NN. This doesn't affect the opening of the shutter release cover obviously though, just a pain when connecting to the USB port on the camera.
John

DennisS
12-14-2013, 02:40 PM
John,
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I cannot visualize how you would use an L bracket with the D800 and the M1 pano head. Do you have a picture?
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Dennis

hindenhaag
12-15-2013, 01:34 AM
The trick is to integrate the stop plate into the L-Bracket.

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Now John can use the L-Bracket like a normal NN Plate in the Upper Rail Clamp having the NN Automatic Align System integrated in the L-Bracket.

Heinz

I supposed this to John in a former thread but he did not dare and want to machine around his Kirk Plate. I could do the job for him.

nick fan
12-15-2013, 02:47 AM
The plastic integrated stop plate can be easily made with 3D printing if dimension of cut out in the L-brackts are known. Any one can make one himself/ herself.
Maybe I should make this accessory to make customer's life easier. :-)
Heinz and John, you can help me by scanning the L bracket with a flat bed scanner with 1200+ dpi. Place a ruler alongside for calibration and reference. I will also need to know the position of the tripod socket. Is it at the far end? I can offer 2 stopping positions. The plate will be attached by double sided tape.

Nick

hindenhaag
12-15-2013, 04:14 AM
@Nick,

At the moment I don't have the L-Bracket. Trying to get one. Tripod socket is at the same position as on NN plates.

http://www.kirkphoto.com/L-bracket_for_Nikon_D800.html

Heinz

Johnytuono
12-15-2013, 06:38 AM
@Dennis Hi, really it is so I can use my Kirk 'L' bracket when I'm not using the NN although obviously because it is arca swiss I would also be able to use it with my NN instead of having to change.
@Heinz Hi, I would happily send you my Kirk and give you a fee to 'sort' my bracket out. If you pm me your address I will send.....thank you.

Johnytuono
12-15-2013, 09:03 AM
@Nick Hi, upon looking at my Kirk bracket, I think a plastic piece, without the little plastic tab underneath, would do the trick with double-sided tape. Obviously it would be trial and error at first to align but once done it should work. If you could send me a couple of pieces I could try (I would pay obviously).
Also I've noticed that the Kirk has 2 sensor alignment marks on the horizontal bit, one for when the camera is slid along to gain access to the USB ports, in this position it hits the pin on the clamp and is under a mm out of the centre mark on the clamp, so that is an option. Access though to the USB ports can still be gained when the camera is fully on the bracket anyway , so personally, I prefer that as the camera seems more stable on the Kirk bracket. I hope this helps.
John

hindenhaag
12-16-2013, 11:10 AM
The problem is the gap because of the screw. The amount of tape which can be used is dramatically reduced when you just cut the piece to adapt it. When you place it without the pin, it won't keep its position. I've send my address.

Heinz

nick fan
12-16-2013, 11:25 AM
Hi John,

Get a scanner and send me the image of the base as instructed. I am at reachable
nick a t fanotec . com

DennisS
12-16-2013, 08:47 PM
John,
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Why not use a lens ring clamp?
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http://www.dlsphoto.net/M1PanoHeadMods/DH1_7839.JPG
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You could use whatever camera body/l bracket/battery grip combo you want and never disrupt your calibration. I can swap out camera bodies as often as I like with no recalibration. Ever since I converted all my panos heads to lens ring clamps I have not looked back.
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Dennis

Johnytuono
12-17-2013, 02:22 AM
Hi Dennis
Thanks for that..it would be ideal if i only used my 16mm but sometimes I shoot with my 14-24mm and I believe that would be way too heavy.
John

DennisS
12-17-2013, 10:57 AM
How about putting these on the L bracket? You would not need to fabricate anything.
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http://shop.nodalninja.com/stop-plate-arca-swiss-style-2ea-f2106/

Johnytuono
12-17-2013, 02:13 PM
Hi Dennis
Yes I'd already tried that, although obviously you can only put one on because of the spring loaded pin on the other side of the arca swiss clamp. Then, with only one stop plate on you can't take shots with your camera on a flat surface. I think it would eventually work loose too as it's only a tiny Allen screw. Thanks for the input though.
John

hindenhaag
12-31-2013, 09:31 AM
Hi John,

Succeeded in making a prototype for Kirk L-Bracket with integrated NN Click Stop:

http://ge.tt/6m4LxuB1/v/0

Works as a normal NN Click Stop to automatically center the L-Bracket as you liked to get. The L-Bracket is movable as normal to reach the camera connections at the side. The Click Stop is totally integrated in the Kirk L-Bracket so you can place the camera flat on a table.

I made an alloy model with a hollow place below for the Kirk Screw and screwed it to the Kirk L-Bracket with two 1,6mm screws to keep it in place. Because of the place needed to move the original screw below it, it is only a 7mm socket to be added to the L-Bracket. The two 1.6mm screws keep it safe in place being placed a little bit diagonal along the connecting surface. The screws will be glued with Locktide. It works fine with a nice click to center your L-Bracket.

Heinz

Happy New Year to all NN Users and all the NN Employes and Resellers. Good luck and I keep my fingers crossed for good business for Bill and Nick. Keep on going. Thx for all your work for your customers.

Johnytuono
12-31-2013, 04:37 PM
Superb! Nice one Heinz.....Happy New Year to you and everyone connected with NN.

nick fan
01-01-2014, 09:49 AM
Hi John,

Succeeded in making a prototype for Kirk L-Bracket with integrated NN Click Stop:

http://ge.tt/6m4LxuB1/v/0

Works as a normal NN Click Stop to automatically center the L-Bracket as you liked to get. The L-Bracket is movable as normal to reach the camera connections at the side. The Click Stop is totally integrated in the Kirk L-Bracket so you can place the camera flat on a table.

I made an alloy model with a hollow place below for the Kirk Screw and screwed it to the Kirk L-Bracket with two 1,6mm screws to keep it in place. Because of the place needed to move the original screw below it, it is only a 7mm socket to be added to the L-Bracket. The two 1.6mm screws keep it safe in place being placed a little bit diagonal along the connecting surface. The screws will be glued with Locktide. It works fine with a nice click to center your L-Bracket.

Heinz

Happy New Year to all NN Users and all the NN Employes and Resellers. Good luck and I keep my fingers crossed for good business for Bill and Nick. Keep on going. Thx for all your work for your customers.

Hi Heinz,

Knowing the dimensions of the groove/slot of the L-plate, I can simply make a plastic stop plate that fits the contour of the groove. The plate can be fixed by double sided tapes. The process is reversible. Looks like something I need to do in 2014.

Nick

hindenhaag
01-02-2014, 10:06 AM
Hi Nick,

I'll send the dimensions the next days. I only can send a scan with 600dpi.

So long, Heinz