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chewy295
06-02-2012, 10:50 AM
Hi everyone,

I've been doing lots of research, but so far I've not been able to find a definitive answer to a question I have. Hopefully I'll find it here.

Background info: I have a Nikon D800 and would like to start shooting landscape panos. I'd be using an 85mm 1.4D lens as it has the best image quality of the lenses I own and I think it will be a good focal length for the style of pano I want to shoot.

Now for the question. Will the D800 looking through the 85/1.4D fit on the NN4, or will I need to go for the M1? As far as I can tell, the rails on the NN4 should be long enough, but I haven't read of anyone using NN heads with a D800 yet, supposedly because they were released only recently.

Can anyone confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

nick fan
06-03-2012, 07:26 AM
Hi everyone,

I've been doing lots of research, but so far I've not been able to find a definitive answer to a question I have. Hopefully I'll find it here.

Background info: I have a Nikon D800 and would like to start shooting landscape panos. I'd be using an 85mm 1.4D lens as it has the best image quality of the lenses I own and I think it will be a good focal length for the style of pano I want to shoot.

Now for the question. Will the D800 looking through the 85/1.4D fit on the NN4, or will I need to go for the M1? As far as I can tell, the rails on the NN4 should be long enough, but I haven't read of anyone using NN heads with a D800 yet, supposedly because they were released only recently.

Can anyone confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

NN4 is perfect for you if you don't go beyond 100mm fl.

Nick

chewy295
06-03-2012, 07:55 AM
Thanks for the confirmation Nick. I guess I'll be ordering an NN4 in the near future. :thumbup:

hindenhaag
06-03-2012, 12:58 PM
Hi chewy,

As Nick already told you NN4 will fit your combination concerning weight and rail length.

I checked D800 with 85mm lens for panorama settings: you will need 10 rows with around 288 shots. My result of pitch: +/- 8.2, 24.5, 40.9, 57.3, 75. Now we have to calculate the differences in upper rotators: NN4 = 15 with possible different starting points at 5, 7.5, 10 but from this point 15 steady interval. M1 offers 7.5 pitch intervals without changing the rotator position.

Now let's have a look to possible pitch settings related to pano calculation setting, settings +/- in pitch of course, number of pics 288 without Zenith and Nadir:

NN4 with starting point changed to +7.5: 8.2 / 7.5, 24.5 / 22.5, 40.9 / 37.5, 57.3 / 52.5, 73.6 / 67.5-82.5

M1 : 8.2 / 7.5, 24.5 / 22.5, 40.9 / 37.5, 57.3 / 60.0, 73.6 / 75

As you see, you are closer to pitch intervals needed for your combination with M1. NN4 might need another row at +/-82.5 with around 18 shots per row without bracketing shots. The calculator asks 18 shots around at +/- 73.6 pitch. There might be a gap between 67.5 and 90 Zenith-Nadir shot. In case you only like to shoot landscape panos you of course can limit pitch up and down in the pano itself. Landscape scenes are mostly quiet scenes, so it does not matter if you have to take another row or two, which would tend to NN4. All this is commenting about camera in portrait mode.

But this might not be the real truth in shooting landscape panos: a windy cloudy day during sunrise sunset daytime might result in more stitching / exposure errors shooting more rows than necessary with another equipment.

Might be a solution to ask your reseller to test both of the brilliant panoheads: NN4 and M1.

Plus you have to think about what you like to shoot: only landscape, even with longer lenses, or go to shorter lenses to shoot panos.

Sorry to set you to some deeper info about how to decide for one of the brilliant NN panoheads.

It is not plug and play in your case.

Feel free to ask,
Heinz

chewy295
06-03-2012, 05:39 PM
Heinz,

Wow, thank you for that detailed info. To clarify, I was probably looking at doing roughly 120 degree scenes, perhaps the occasional full 180 but definitely not 360, and I was prepared to shoot multiple rows in order to get a higher resolution image. Given this information, would you recommend a shorter focal length?

I also have a 50mm 1.4G that I could use. Would the reduced number of stitches involved with the 50mm be preferable to the 85mm? Given a static scene, I would have thought that longer lenses with more frames to be stitched would reduce the number of stitching errors, am I wrong in this assumption?

Thanks,
Mike.

John Houghton
06-04-2012, 12:06 AM
Given a static scene, I would have thought that longer lenses with more frames to be stitched would reduce the number of stitching errors, am I wrong in this assumption?
Mike, Given a static scene, there is no reason to have any stitching errors, regardless of the lens used. Generally speaking, a shorter focal length will give you an easier time in shooting and stitching for a variety of reasons. You need to decide exactly what you want to end up with as a final product (e.g. a 50" by 12" print at 300ppi, say) and work backwards to calculate the number of images needed with what lens.
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John

hindenhaag
06-04-2012, 04:03 PM
Mike,

50mm lens needs 6 rows : 64.28 67.5 15 shots 24
38.57 37.5 18 shots 20
12.85 15 18 shots 20
-12.85 -15 18 shots 20
-38.57 -37.5 18 shots 20
-64.28 -67.5 15 shots 24

+ zenith and nadir in case...pitch worked out for M1 Rotator with 7.5 detend intervals.


14-24mm/f2.8 , very good lens, @ zoom 24 needs 3 rows with 36 with +45, 0, -45.

Once you know the pitch you have to use, you have to find the best compromise for the possible pitch settings of your panohead.

M1: 0 7.5 15 22.5 30 37.5 45 52.5 60 67.5 75 82.5

NN4: 0 15 30 45 60 75

NN4 5 Preset: 5 20 35 50 65 80

NN4 7.5 Preset: 7.5 22.5 37.5 52.5 67.5 82.5

NN4 10 Preset: 10 25 40 55 70 85

Conclusion, M1 will give you a wider range in Pitch settings - 7.5 intervals - and for lenses that need a long upper rail like 14-24, 24-70, 70-200. More expansive, heavier, more stable, modular what means you can adapt it to your needs by changing different rails. More stable for heavier equipment. Most parts can be used for the new M2.

NN4, shorter rails, can be used with special set ups in preset in upper rotator with 15 intervals. Lighter, lower price. The RD16 can be used on M1 as well in case you want to step over.

So all depends on your intensions for the future.

Basically NN4 will serve your needs right now. But asking for a D800 let's me think of the future once you have been caught by the pano virus.

Feel free to ask,
Heinz