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nick fan
03-29-2011, 09:05 PM
Here comes the new affordable spherical panoramic tripod head from FANOTEC, the Nodal Ninja 4. It features a precise upper rotator with 15 degree stops, a design borrowed from the new Ultimate M1. It supports a wide range of lenses from ultra wide angles to 100mm (35mm equivalent focal length and 25% overlap) telephotos. Besides, the upper rotator can be installed with an offset of +/- 5, 7.5, or 10 degree from the horizon, making it perfect for single row spherical panoramas with various fisheye lenses.
http://store.nodalninja.com/product_images/n/276/NN4-2__31649_zoom.jpg
http://store.nodalninja.com/product_images/c/468/horizon-offsets__49225_zoom.jpg
http://store.nodalninja.com/product_images/h/941/10-deg-offset__69914_zoom.jpg
http://store.nodalninja.com/product_images/l/214/NN4-upper-rotator__29329_zoom.jpg
The Nodal Ninja 4 can support up to 7.7lbs (3.5kg) large DSLR cameras and supports the advanced rotators RD8, RD16, and RD3L. Starting at $349.95, the NN4 is an affordable spherical panorama head that will take your photography to new heights.
The NN4 will be available for order in April. We are accepting pre-orders at
http://store.nodalninja.com/categories/Nodal-Ninja-4/

nick fan
03-29-2011, 09:16 PM
Nodal Ninja 4 vs Nodal Ninja 5

Slightly shorter vertical and upper rails than NN5.
Easier to use upper rotator with 15 degree positive stops
Support offset of +/- 5, 7.5, or 10 degree from the horizon
Support use of FANOTEC lens rings with new QR clamp (coming soon)
More affordable than NN5
Same load rating to support up to 7.7lbs (3.5kg)
Limit to 100mm focal length only (35mm equivalent and 25% overlap)


NN4 will use all accessories from NN3 and 5 series.

hindenhaag
03-29-2011, 10:22 PM
Hi Nick,

Thx for additional infos. Small add on: the Camera Plate included is the CP-2.

http://www.nodalninja.com/Manuals/CP2_qrg.pdf

Heinz

zerohui0_0
03-30-2011, 10:22 PM
is this plate Larger than the one provided with NN5 ?

hindenhaag
03-30-2011, 11:17 PM
It is the same plate.

Heinz

ckmcdonald
04-02-2011, 01:19 PM
Does the NN4 use the same detent rings as the NN5?

Vincèn
04-02-2011, 01:27 PM
Does the NN4 use the same detent rings as the NN5?
yep exactly the same :)

Vincèn

ckmcdonald
04-06-2011, 10:31 AM
Shipping date?
I ordered and am anxious! ;)

hindenhaag
04-06-2011, 12:14 PM
The E-Store says: estimated shipping date 18th April.

http://www.easypano.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=1&TopicID=4162

http://www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm

My be you can use the time to be prepaired when it arrives.:sad:

What camera lens are you going to use?

Regards,
Heinz

ckmcdonald
04-06-2011, 09:20 PM
Thanks Heinz. I was aware it wasn't shipping yet but I missed seeing the shipping date on the e-store site. I suppose I can stand to wait a couple of weeks. :sad:

Thanks for the parallax references, one of the two I hadn't seen before. I'm not totally new to spherical panos (but definitely a beginner), I'm just getting to the point that my lower quality half home-made pano-head isn't cutting it. I shoot a D200 with a 18-200mm lens (locked @ 18mm) and this combo is a bit heavy for my present head. Not the most ideal pano lens I know but until I can decide what lens I want to fork $700+ dollars for I'm making it do. (I'm torn between the convenience of a supper wide angle vs the image quality of a narrower lens)

I'm mostly looking forward to a the sturdier head and both the vert/horz placement accuracy. I believe the NN4 comes with a 10/12 degree ring. If I figure correctly this will cover (with detents):

10: 36pics, 18pics, 12pics, 9pics, 6pics, 4pics
12: 30pics, 15pics, 10pics, 6pics, 5pics, 3pics

For my 18mm (48 degree HFOV) 10pics, 12pics or 15pics would work fine.

I'm new to NN. Anything I'm overlooking, accessories?

hindenhaag
04-07-2011, 03:07 PM
Hi,

So you shoot D200 18-200. Am I right? Just to give basic advice. As an overview, you have the choice to standard rotator, add detend rings, or choose for RD8/Rd16 rotator. A "low budget but very good lens is Samyang 8mm". Around 300€ in EU. A manual lens. Very good optical results. For me beyond Sigma 8mm/f3.5. And I have tested on DX/FX with 10.5, Sigma 8, Samyang 8, 16mm.

If you like to change to an FX body, just shave the lens hood and feel happy to use 4 shots around.

To be prepared for the future, the best choice would be RD16. Depends on money. But you can always change to another rotator with NN4 standard rotator.

Anyway, I'd add a NN Nadir Adaptor in first place and a Ez-LevellerII for easy leveling.

I can test the NN LRS URS settings for you for fisheye lenses and I already know 18-200. I have my D200 in case somebody asks. And a lot of DX lenses as well.

You will be happy with the equipment. I am sure about it cause I use NN Products since several years. Without any problem till now: NN5 RD16, R1, NN3 MKII, Nadir Adaptor NN3/NN5 or Ez-LevellerII.

Feel free to ask,
and I am just a NN customer.
Cheers, Heinz

ckmcdonald
04-07-2011, 07:49 PM
Thanks again for the tips Heinz.

Yes, I'm shooting a D200 with a 18-200mm VR-II lens. (have only used it at 18mm)

Thanks for pointing out the Nadir Adapter. This does seem useful. Just a question about it... it seems it doesn't offset the camera enough to get the tripod out of the nadir shot. Is the idea that the tripod is still in the picture but in a different place so it can be removed with masking?

Does the same Nadir Adapter fit the NN3, NN5 as well as the NN4?

I have my eye on a Nikkor 10.5mm. It sounds like you have one, or at least have used one. What is your opinion of it? I lean more toward image quality then I do convenience or lower picture count. I understand the image quality of the Nikkor is better than the Samyang and Sigma8. True?

For the Nikkor 10.5, what picture count do you use? 5 around slightly tilled up and 1N?

Are you saying that if the Nikkor 10.5mm is attached to an FX body that the lens hood obstructs the frame? If so, what was Nikon thinking?

Calvin

hindenhaag
04-08-2011, 01:58 AM
Hi Calvin,

Now I get the benefit out of keeping my old equipment besides having done a good job for me during different Jazz Festivals. Ok, we can use the same equipment, my 18-200 is a VR-II as well.

D200, 18-200 VRII, NN5: LRS= Lower rail setting 60, URS= Upper rail Setting: @zoom18:103, @zoom24: 98, @zoom35: 90, @zoom50: 75, @zoom70: 52

The Nadir adapter fits for NN3, NN5, NN4. It is used to take Nadir shots to create open space in between the equipment to once they are stitched create a full picture of what is lying below the Tripod and Panohead.

http://homepage.mac.com/hindenhaag/filechute/Nadir2x.zip

Nikkor 10.5 is the best fisheye lens for Nikon DX bodies, and my opinion stands before Samyang 8mm and this one before Sigma 8mm. It will ask 6 around while you can shoot 4 around with Samyang and Sigma - better for busy places. If you go for Quality I like to shoot 6 around at 0°, +90°, 2x Nadir with Nadir Adapter. I will shoot a sequence for you with D200 at different pitches. But will take some time. I haven't done this till now cause there have not been so many questions about D200. But I will add it now to my fisheye lens comparison data.

Full Zenith at +90° will use the better center circle of the lens during stitching while +5/7.5° tilt will use the outer circle of the lens, which has a different quality as nearly all lenses.

Nikon thought we have a Nikkor 10.5 DX lens for DX Bodies as well as the Nikkor 16mm/f2.8 for our Full Frame Bodies - 6 around as well. To have the possibility to shoot 4 around on FX Bodies we shave the 10.5 to use the quality of the lens in busy places. You can still use it on FX bodies, with some little changes in lens flare and contrast which can easily be corrected in camera menu.

Ordering the NN4 as starter package, it should be useful to order 2 more detent rings as well: 45/60 90/120 in the "get two but pay one" option. In case you like to shoot 4 around once upon a time saving a lot of money and extra shipping costs:

http://store.nodalninja.com/products/NN5-2-detent-rings.html

I suppose the standard rotator is not changed from NN5 - NN4. Info about NN4 detent rings will be added soon in the e-store. I am sure, Bill or Nick can give basic info about this question.

So long,
Heinz

superpants
04-08-2011, 01:03 PM
Support use of FANOTEC lens rings with new QR clamp (coming soon)

Any ETA for this? Or any manuals or quick start guides for NN4 yet? WOuld these be available on the 18th?

Thanks

hindenhaag
04-08-2011, 01:58 PM
Hi,

here is the Quick Start NN4: http://www.nodalninja.com/Manuals/NN4-QRG.pdf

Heinz

ckmcdonald
04-16-2011, 09:34 AM
Got my NN4 yesterday.
I like it!!

Heinz, I didn't really expect the calibration settings to be exact on my NN4 with the numbers you provided from a NN5 (60/103) for the D200 / 18-200mm VRII @ 18mm but figured it would be a good place to start to shorten the iteration cycle. They were exact - I got perfect alignment first try!

Thanks - it saved me a little picture taking time. My batteries are all charged, my flash cards are all empty and it's a beautiful spring day ... I'm off to take some panos!

Calvin

hindenhaag
04-16-2011, 12:04 PM
Pleasure Calvin,

thx for lettings us know. Helps me a lot too checking all the settings on NN4.

Enjoy your new equipment and success.

Heinz

Destiny
04-19-2011, 10:22 AM
Hello Nick..and everyone one.... My name is Destiny.. and I was the first in the whole wide world to own the NN4 :biggrin:
This is a fact that I am very proud of! :clap:
I have been testing the NN4 out for about a week now. It's the most wonderful pano head ever!
I use with it the Arca Style Quick Release System and that's just great....Camera On - Camera Off.. And I also have the Nadir Adapter. This is a really nice little thing, I love it so much but I am still working on how to use it properly though. I have never taken a Nadir shot that can be used on my pano's.. It's tricky I think.. But the Nadir Adapter will help me to achieve this. All this mounted on my RD16.

If anyone needs to know anything about the NN4, I will be more than happy to!

D..

hindenhaag
04-19-2011, 11:21 AM
Hi Destiny and welcome to the forum,

Great to get to know that you are happy with your new equipment. Nice you are number 1! Got mine yesterday evening. Of course I tried it at once. Steps on in the NN Fanotec quality program. I am happy with these products since years.

Using the Nadir Adapter is not a very tricky thing. What sort of equipment do you use? Camera lens combination?

Anyway: first of all you have to measure the Pivot Distance: the distance from center of RD16 to center to fixing screw of the nadir adaptor, the turning point of the adaptor. First nadir shot: -90º with closed adaptor. Then move the tripod sideways in direction of third leg by 2x Pivot Distance. Just use the third leg to adapt your distance. Open up the nadir adapter and shoot the second nadir shot.

This will only work when you use a special set up of NN4 RD16 to your tripod. The lower rail has to be set to 90º to the "two front legs of the tripod". And it has to be "in line" with the third leg. Otherwise you can not mask out the tripod in a proper way.

The first nadir shot will show the tip of the third leg of the tripod on the left side. Important area! The second Nadir Shot will show the corner of the nadir adapter between the two legs of the tripod on the right hand side of the picture. Second important area! When you mask and stitch the two nadir shots, you have to check that there is space between the corner of the tip of the third leg and the corner of the Nadir Adapter. If they touch, move the tripod beyond 2x Pivot Distance. If it is far beyond the old position of lens axis - center of Rotator in N1 - may be you have to use a "viewpoint correction"

Most of us use PTGuiPro. You can download a trial at www.PTGui.com. Just load the two nadir shots, in same orientation, go to >mask, and mask out the tripod. Then stitch. Check if there are black or checkered areas left in the two important areas. Then you have to move the tripod beyond 2x Pivot distance.

http://homepage.mac.com/hindenhaag/filechute/NNadaptor1.jpg

Thx to offer help to forum members. We keep in contact with Australia!

Feel free to ask,
regards,
Heinz

BTW Bill: Think you have to open up a NN4 Line on the forum:clap:

Vincèn
04-19-2011, 11:35 AM
BTW Bill: Think you have to open up a NN4 Line on the forum:clap:
Very good point :biggrin::clap:

Three60mktg
05-11-2011, 10:48 AM
Hi Destiny and welcome to the forum,

Great to get to know that you are happy with your new equipment. Nice you are number 1! Got mine yesterday evening. Of course I tried it at once. Steps on in the NN Fanotec quality program. I am happy with these products since years.

Using the Nadir Adapter is not a very tricky thing. What sort of equipment do you use? Camera lens combination?

Anyway: first of all you have to measure the Pivot Distance: the distance from center of RD16 to center to fixing screw of the nadir adaptor, the turning point of the adaptor. First nadir shot: -90º with closed adaptor. Then move the tripod sideways in direction of third leg by 2x Pivot Distance. Just use the third leg to adapt your distance. Open up the nadir adapter and shoot the second nadir shot.

This will only work when you use a special set up of NN4 RD16 to your tripod. The lower rail has to be set to 90º to the "two front legs of the tripod". And it has to be "in line" with the third leg. Otherwise you can not mask out the tripod in a proper way.

The first nadir shot will show the tip of the third leg of the tripod on the left side. Important area! The second Nadir Shot will show the corner of the nadir adapter between the two legs of the tripod on the right hand side of the picture. Second important area! When you mask and stitch the two nadir shots, you have to check that there is space between the corner of the tip of the third leg and the corner of the Nadir Adapter. If they touch, move the tripod beyond 2x Pivot Distance. If it is far beyond the old position of lens axis - center of Rotator in N1 - may be you have to use a "viewpoint correction"

Most of us use PTGuiPro. You can download a trial at www.PTGui.com. Just load the two nadir shots, in same orientation, go to >mask, and mask out the tripod. Then stitch. Check if there are black or checkered areas left in the two important areas. Then you have to move the tripod beyond 2x Pivot distance.




hi guys, i am new to NN.

I just got my NN4, with RD16 today. I was so excited that i immediately lay my hands on it.

I am using D90 , with 18-105mm lens. I tried to take the nadir shot. But don't seem to get it right. Not sure where i got wrong.


Q1. How do i measure the pivot distance?

"First nadir shot: -90º with closed adaptor" .

Q2. Where do i take this first nadir shot?

Q3. If i move the tripod by the pivot distance, will it not cause any unnecessary movment that will disrupt the images?


"This will only work when you use a special set up of NN4 RD16 to your tripod. The lower rail has to be set to 90º to the "two front legs of the tripod". And it has to be "in line" with the third leg. Otherwise you can not mask out the tripod in a proper way."

Q4. Will you be able to elaborate on this? i don't quite get it.
Q5. What is the 90º? you referring to?


"special set up of NN4 RD16 to your tripod"

Q6. What is the special set up?


sorry guys hope i am not asking too many questions.

hindenhaag
05-11-2011, 12:10 PM
Hi,

Keep cool and welcome to the forum,

I know there are a lot of questions about this theme, I add some pics to explain it.

http://homepage.mac.com/hindenhaag/filechute/NNadaptor1.jpg

hindenhaag
05-12-2011, 02:01 AM
Special set up to tripod: the whole Panohead and its lower rail has to be set in between the two legs of the tripod in 90º standing on the opposite side of the third leg. Red line in picture.

Pivot distance is the distance from the center of the rotator to the turning point of the Nadir Adapter ( Screw with handle ). You have to shift the whole tripod sideways by minimum 2x Pivot distance, to get a free space between the tip of the third leg from Nadir Shot 1 ( Adapter closed ) and the corner of the Nadir adapter of Nadir Shot 2 ( adapter opened to swing outside ) If you do not get free space between the tip of the tripod leg and the corner of the NN Adapter, you have to shift the tripod beyond 2x Pivot distance.

You take your shots around, then zenith shot +90º, then turn the camera down to -90º to take the first Nadir shot. Swing out the Nadir adapter, fix the screw, camera still in -90º position, shift sideways in the direction of the third leg ( blue arrow in the picture ) and take the second nadir shot. Open up screw and swing back the Nadir Adapter to closed position and fix the screw to be save with your equipment.

This is the only way to do it. You have to move the tripod. The software will handle this. In PTGui Pro adding masking and stitching the 2 Nadir shots you have to go to >advanced, the the tab line opens with all the extras like mask etc., >optimizer , in optimizer > advanced and click the viewpoint for the nadir shots.

Hope this helps. Otherwise ask again.

Regards,
Heinz

hindenhaag
05-12-2011, 11:07 PM
How to measure Pivot Point Distance: Pics ©2011 NodalNinja

http://homepage.mac.com/hindenhaag/filechute/Pivot%20Point%20_NodalNinja_2011.zip The method to measure the Pivot distance is the same for NN3, NN4 and NN5.

Regards,
Heinz

hindenhaag
05-13-2011, 12:37 PM
The PTGui Viewpoint click:

188


Heinz

Trico
05-20-2011, 01:10 AM
Nodal Ninja 4 vs Nodal Ninja 5

Slightly shorter vertical and upper rails than NN5.
Easier to use upper rotator with 15 degree positive stops
Support offset of +/- 5, 7.5, or 10 degree from the horizon
Support use of FANOTEC lens rings with new QR clamp (coming soon)
More affordable than NN5
Same load rating to support up to 7.7lbs (3.5kg)
Limit to 100mm focal length only (35mm equivalent and 25% overlap)


NN4 will use all accessories from NN3 and 5 series.

Hi Nick.

One quick question:

NN5 load rating is 22lbs/10kg and NN5L is 15lbs/7kg (from NN website), so why do you say "Same load rating to support up to 7.7lbs(3.5kg)" ?

Thanks,

Trico

nick fan
05-23-2011, 06:58 AM
Hi Nick.

One quick question:

NN5 load rating is 22lbs/10kg and NN5L is 15lbs/7kg (from NN website), so why do you say "Same load rating to support up to 7.7lbs(3.5kg)" ?

Thanks,

Trico

Hmm, I want to be more conservative in the load rating. 3.5kg is anything practical for any DSLR system.

nick

Trico
05-23-2011, 10:02 AM
Hmm, I want to be more conservative in the load rating. 3.5kg is anything practical for any DSLR system.

nick

Got it.

Thank you.

hindenhaag
05-24-2011, 09:28 AM
Trico,

If you have time and you are interested, you should go to Pamela next week. All the big boys of pano are there, great program. Plus: Nodal Ninja is present with the whole US staff and Bill Bailey. Off course our EU distributors. And you can test the equipment and ask all your questions.

http://www.nodalninja.com/forum/showthread.php?4451-Palmela-2011-Final-Speakers-List

Heinz

Trico
05-24-2011, 03:07 PM
Trico,

If you have time and you are interested, you should go to Pamela next week. All the big boys of pano are there, great program. Plus: Nodal Ninja is present with the whole US staff and Bill Bailey. Off course our EU distributors. And you can test the equipment and ask all your questions.

http://www.nodalninja.com/forum/showthread.php?4451-Palmela-2011-Final-Speakers-List

Heinz

Thank you Heinz, I've already decided to go just for the "Marketplace". I'll be there on May 31 to buy a NN4 plus other stuff. I talked to Andrew (from 360 Tactical VR) and he said he'll be there. I was planning to place an online order with him, but instead decided to go to Palmela to try before buy. He also told me that there will be discount prices. I live 350km away from Palmela (in Oporto) so I just hope that the discount will be enough to pay for the car trip. I asked him about the NN4 price at Palmela but he couldn't say.

hindenhaag
05-27-2011, 12:35 PM
Hello to Nodal Ninja,

May all of you have a safe trip to Pamela and home again.

Enjoy your stay, have a good business during the congress, and have a nice time during your stay in good old Europe.

Greetings to the rest of the Nodal Ninjians as well.

Kind regards to all of you,
Heinz

Vincèn
05-27-2011, 12:43 PM
May all of you have a safe trip to Pamela and home again.
Enjoy your stay, have a good business during the congress, and have a nice time during your stay in good old Europe.
Andrew is already in Palmela, Bill also probably, rest of Ninjas will arrive tomorrow me included :001_smile: we'll miss you in Palmela !

Thanks for your greetings :thumbup:

Vincèn

hindenhaag
05-27-2011, 02:46 PM
Ok, have a nice time.

Does any email address work? Do you watch yours Vincen?

Heinz

Vincèn
05-28-2011, 07:23 AM
Does any email address work? Do you watch yours Vincen?
Yep for sure :) In fact I'm typing that from Lisbon right now !

hindenhaag
05-28-2011, 01:16 PM
Great place, have a look to downtown and the river bank, and we need a panorama from the trams.:thumbup1:

Cheers,
Heinz

Vincèn
05-30-2011, 03:27 AM
Great place, have a look to downtown and the river bank, and we need a panorama from the trams.:thumbup1:
It looks like you never went in Lisbon Tram, it was so overcrowded yesterday, forget it :clap: I'll post later today if I succeed to upload it a panorama done in front of Palmela Castle :001_smile:

Vincèn
05-30-2011, 04:13 AM
Shot yesterday afternoon in front of Palmela Castle:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/5775071889_01a90774bd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skivr/5775071889/)
Chateau de Palmela, Lisbonne (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skivr/5775071889/) by Vincèn PUJOL - SkiVR (http://www.flickr.com/people/skivr/), on Flickr
Flash version on that link: http://visites.skivr.com/panos/Portugal/Lisbonne/Chateau/pano_final.html

hindenhaag
05-30-2011, 06:25 AM
That's the place to take a pole.:th_wink:

Nice pano of the castle....

I see you already enjoy:clap:

Cheers
Heinz

Vincèn
05-30-2011, 10:57 AM
That's the place to take a pole.:th_wink:yep but when it's so overcrowded you have no way to install pole :th_cool:

hindenhaag
05-31-2011, 12:30 PM
Sorry,

I used it around 25 years ago. :th_wink:

So I am happy you found it crowded today. Why? Cause there have not been NN Brilliant products at this time. So I am a sort of confident it is too crowded. But is the elevator crowded as well? The connection between "low and upper town?".

Just in case you have some spare time to go home.

Heinz.

BTW: I think we have to be jealous not sharing this meeting?:th_sad:

Vincèn
06-01-2011, 01:57 AM
So I am happy you found it crowded today. Why? Cause there have not been NN Brilliant products at this time. So I am a sort of confident it is too crowded. But is the elevator crowded as well? The connection between "low and upper town?".
Nope didn't get time and in fact went already in these one year ago ;) But we are in Palmela since Monday so no lucj to shoot that now :/


BTW: I think we have to be jealous not sharing this meeting?:th_sad:
héhé conferences really start today and it starts that morning with Ignacio's one that looks really promising and interesting :001_smile:

Vincèn

ckmcdonald
08-22-2011, 11:40 AM
Heinz:

I purchased a Nikkor DX 10.5mm fisheye.
Do you happen to know the NN rail positions for it on a D200?
Will save me a little time dialing it in.

Thanks
Calvin

hindenhaag
08-23-2011, 02:41 AM
Hi Calvin,

LRS NN4 D200 60, URS 10,5 is 81

Regards,
Heinz

BTW: please send another question on thread NN4