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hindenhaag
08-13-2010, 10:02 PM
Hello everyone,

is there a possibility to close the gap using R1/R10 for Z/N shots in NPP without stepping over to NN3/NN5 or taking handheld or viewpoint corrected shots?

Yes, I personally have found my solution for this special situation and I feel free to present it to the forum.

Serious comments appreciated.

Regards,

Heinz

hindenhaag
08-13-2010, 10:53 PM
Hi guys,

some basic shots, uncorrected for CA, etc., exposure chosen for good nadir view, so there are overexposed areas,I know how to shoot a good pano. This one is only to taken to test the workflow in PTGui beta2 by masking and stitching .

Feel free to play around.

http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechute/DSC_0221%20PanoramaSigmNadirTest.zip
http://web.me.com/hindenhaag/filechute/Nadir%20NNP%20Set.zip
Heinz

badders
08-14-2010, 01:41 AM
Interesting concept Heinz, but I'd have to say to be quite honest - pointless! I really can't see anyone wanting to go through all the steps needed to do this. Simply too many changes to the setup in terms of hardware swaps and tripod re-positoning for me. Viewpoint correction works fine as shown here:

http://www.360tacticalvr.com/blog/?p=117

But you are right in that the R1/R10 is a great portable product with the one and only flaw (actually two as there's FAR too many lens rings to stock......) being the limitations of zenith/nadir shooting.

nick fan
08-14-2010, 03:30 AM
Hello everyone,

is there a possibility to close the gap using R1/R10 for Z/N shots in NPP without stepping over to NN3/NN5 or taking handheld or viewpoint corrected shots?

Yes, I personally have found my solution for this special situation and I feel free to present it to the forum.

Serious comments appreciated.

Regards,

Heinz

Heinz,

I have thought of an adapter for taking zenith/nadir shots for R1/10 many times. However, I fail to come up with a design that the overall setup is more compact than a multi-row pano head such as NN3. So I gave up. For those who need to use a lens ring and take perfect zenith and nadir shots, my next NN Ultimate is the answer.

Trausti has offered an alternative method.




Here is a pano shot with Olympus E-520 with Zuiko 8mm fisheye used with R1 and EZ leveler on top of a Frankenstein tripod.

http://flashificator.com/1/Diverse/Kitchen1

It was tilted 10° down, and one shot 90°up where I raise the center column to make up for the tilting, having drilled a hole in the column and putting a pin through the holes... brings the camera to the correct height in a few seconds... and moving the tripod the few cm's that are needed is normally ok... but can be made better I'm sure.

All in all: R1 is a perfect tool for both outside and inside jobs, especially when the camera height can be regulated as quickly as I do it with the zenith shot.

The only thing that might become an "issue" with R1, is the nadir shot, but until now I have not had any situation I haven't been able to photoshop over, or cover the hole with a nadir cap with a couple of clicks in Flashificator.

Nick

DennisS
08-14-2010, 07:58 AM
Heinz,

I love seeing people think outside the box. That is how new products are created.

I played around with many ideas while trying to solve the whole "How do I shoot a long exposure Nadir patch shot". One solution that I ended up using for several years (before I made a pano head with the Nadir swivel built in) was
http://www.dlsphoto.net/NadarBracket/Bracket_2.jpg.

No "tripod gymnastics" involved. Using quick relase plates, it takes seconds to reconfigure the rig from shooting on the pano head to shooting the Nadir.

I have toyed around with the idea of making a miniature pano head that does not allow for a Zenith shot. Using the Sigma 8mm tilted up 5 degrees eliminates the need for a Zenith shot. Since you will not be rotating the camera for the Zenith, no need for a long vertical arm. It would still need a Nadir swivel of some sort. I have not taken test photos yet to see how far you need to move over, so I do not know if it would be practical. Maybe your test photos will provide the answer.

Keep on "thinking outside the box".

Dennis

DennisS
08-14-2010, 08:02 AM
- pointless! For long exposure Nadir patch shots, this would work quite well. I know that I cannot hold the camera still for a 2 second exposure. Whatever gets the job done.

hindenhaag
08-15-2010, 12:54 AM
Thx a lot for your responses.

I tried to fill the gap by adding pieces which are already available on the market. I know I do not have to use it in daily situations. I tried to expand the use of the R1 for NPP Zenith shot indoors for real estate for example and long exposure Nadir patch shot. I did not take part in a salsa course to replace my tripod 38cm sideways.:wink:

Regards,

Heinz