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HD360
07-12-2010, 09:25 AM
What is the best setup using this lens camera setting? I would like to get the advice from someone using PTGUI as the sticher.

nick fan
07-12-2010, 10:10 AM
Personally, I prefer smaller nadir over smaller zenith. So I would use -7.5 deg tilt for 6 shots around followed by a zenith shot.


Nick

HD360
07-12-2010, 10:48 AM
Thank you. Do you shoot the Zenith by keeping the camera on the R1 mount and tilt 90 degrees?

nick fan
07-13-2010, 09:14 AM
Thank you. Do you shoot the Zenith by keeping the camera on the R1 mount and tilt 90 degrees?


yes. zenith shot on R1. you need to use view point correction in ptgui. You can move the tripod and adjust the center column to get best result.


nick

Wim.Koornneef
07-14-2010, 11:11 AM
.....you need to use view point correction in ptgui. You can move the tripod and adjust the center column to get best result....

Some tips:
* When the tripod is moved approx. 9cm (!) in the proper direction and the center column is lifted approx. 9cm (!) then the position of the lens will be within a few cm of the optimum NPP.
(!) the exact value is depending on the tilt for the round shots and the lens that is used but will be close to 9 cm.
* The more precise the tripod is moved and the more precise the center column is lifted the better the stitched result will be.
* Only when there are close by objects in the zenith shot then moving of the tripod and lifting of the center column is needed so for a zenith shot of the sky it is not necessary to move the tripod or lift the center column.
* By setting the Blend priority of the zenith shot in the Image parameters tab of PTGui Pro to a lower value , f.i from the default 100 to 70 or 50 you can narrow the part of the zenith shot that will be included in the stitched result, this can be very handy if you get visible errors at the seem of the zenith patch in the stitched pano, with a little tweaking of the Blend priority value it is often possible to get rid of the error.
* You can check the result of the tweaking realtime in the Panorama Editor.

Success,
Wim

hoffmanerik
08-24-2010, 06:56 AM
Hi Nick

Just to let you know that after all the testing with different lenses and cameras and brackets the best solution is the following giving the best quality enabling full Zenith stitch automatically.

Nikon D3X full frame (or any full frame) with 10.5DX shaved (I shaved the lens myself and it is brilliant) at 10 deg up on an R1 or R10

Taken 4 shots with perfect Zenith stitch in PTGui and created in Pano2VR

The Nadir is always easy to patch in Pano2VR using photoshop, as most times the tripod is on a floor, road or on a carpet - see samples below
and as the Zenith is much more difficult the 10deg will sort it perfectly

see below
Winchester Cathedral
http://www.fashionbyvogue.com/events/amazing/winchester/winchester.html

And to all you car lovers - The Morgan Factory
http://www.fashionbyvogue.com/events/amazing/morgan/admin.html

Love to hear from any

Erik Hoffman

hoffmanerik
08-24-2010, 07:01 AM
Sorry guys I ment 5deg not 10

DennisS
08-24-2010, 09:26 AM
When you do not have any photographer shadows to deal with, down tilt and a Zenith shot makes sense. When dealing with the photographer's shadow, you will need to take at least 1 Nadir patch shot in order to eliminate the shadow. In this case, up tilt will close the Zenith and leave you with the Nadir to deal with. If you tilt down and have shadows, you will have to take a Zenith shot, patch it in, take a Nadir patch shot and patch it in. Why not save yourself a lot of time and headaches and deal with only 1 patch shot? Tilt up and take a hand held Nadir patch.

I use 5 degrees up tilt and a hand held Nadir patch shot. Here is how I deal with the photographer's shadow using PTGui. http://www.dlsphoto.net/Tutorials/NadirShadow/index.htm

nick fan
08-24-2010, 09:07 PM
When you do not have any photographer shadows to deal with, down tilt and a Zenith shot makes sense. When dealing with the photographer's shadow, you will need to take at least 1 Nadir patch shot in order to eliminate the shadow. In this case, up tilt will close the Zenith and leave you with the Nadir to deal with. If you tilt down and have shadows, you will have to take a Zenith shot, patch it in, take a Nadir patch shot and patch it in. Why not save yourself a lot of time and headaches and deal with only 1 patch shot? Tilt up and take a hand held Nadir patch.

I use 5 degrees up tilt and a hand held Nadir patch shot. Here is how I deal with the photographer's shadow using PTGui. http://www.dlsphoto.net/Tutorials/NadirShadow/index.htm

Hi Dennis,

The lens in question is Nikon 10.5mm. You can't close the zenith with less than 20 deg tilt.

Nick

DennisS
08-25-2010, 01:11 AM
Nick,

WOW. I do not know how I totally missed that small but very significant detail. Thanks for pointing that out. It does make a difference. That changes the technique significantly. If anyone has the same question using the Sigma lens, then I have an answer all ready for them.

Dennis

KevinM
08-25-2010, 07:43 AM
Hi Dennis,

The lens in question is Nikon 10.5mm. You can't close the zenith with less than 20 deg tilt.

Nick

If you roll the camera you can. How good it will look depends what is up there :(.

Kevin.

badders
08-26-2010, 01:21 AM
yes. zenith shot on R1. you need to use view point correction in ptgui. You can move the tripod and adjust the center column to get best result.
Nick, I've seen this method mentioned before of raising the centre column to adjust for the NPP offset when you tilt the R1 - do you have more info?

nick fan
08-26-2010, 01:59 AM
Nick, I've seen this method mentioned before of raising the centre column to adjust for the NPP offset when you tilt the R1 - do you have more info?

Here is a fresh discussion
http://www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/8274/

nick

hoffmanerik
09-21-2010, 07:17 PM
Hi Nick

Ever wondered about the artist who worked for months and years and his masterpiece is left in the basement never sold or looked at, that is passion

For anyone who had a chance to visit the amazing Hermitage Museum in St Petersburg - Russia is a great proof of passion, and some of the greatest artists works of art are kept here

Some of the masterpieces were bought for millions when the artist died penniless.

The link below is a taste of the Hermitage (15 room in all) in 360Panorama that took me hundreds of hours to create, so PLEASE dont just skip it - I know it takes time to load but believe me it is beautiful, and not because I have created it,

I was not allowed a tripod, so it is hand held (yes hand held) my friends and with a shaved 10.5mm DX is a treat no need for extra shot for the Nadir or the Zenith if you tilt up 5deg - a bit of work on the nadir in Photoshop but the ceiling is brilliant

The most amazing one is the Rembrandt room (click on the blue pin on the map - room 117) because it is very very dark and you cannot take photographs easily, especially without a tripod but thanks to a new technology and hours of work you can enjoy for the first time the full glory of this room - the cost of the photographs in this room will set you back in Billions.

I was privileged to get in after closing time! as in normal time there are hundreds of people storming the room with temperature exceeding 35 degrees so photography is almost impossible.

Music (room 112) and Champagne have made this visit one of the best I have ever encountered.

http://www.fashionbyvogue.com/events/amazing/hermitage/day.html


Please be patience to load and let me know what you think

Special thanks to Martin Hopkins who helped me to understand how to create a map etc,
Special thanks to the guy at Topaz who created the best software enhancing program ever.

Erik Hoffman
www.erikhoffman.co.uk

nick fan
09-21-2010, 11:23 PM
Hi Nick

Ever wondered about the artist who worked for months and years and his masterpiece is left in the basement never sold or looked at, that is passion

For anyone who had a chance to visit the amazing Hermitage Museum in St Petersburg - Russia is a great proof of passion, and some of the greatest artists works of art are kept here

Some of the masterpieces were bought for millions when the artist died penniless.

The link below is a taste of the Hermitage (15 room in all) in 360Panorama that took me hundreds of hours to create, so PLEASE dont just skip it - I know it takes time to load but believe me it is beautiful, and not because I have created it,

I was not allowed a tripod, so it is hand held (yes hand held) my friends and with a shaved 10.5mm DX is a treat no need for extra shot for the Nadir or the Zenith if you tilt up 5deg - a bit of work on the nadir in Photoshop but the ceiling is brilliant

The most amazing one is the Rembrandt room (click on the blue pin on the map - room 117) because it is very very dark and you cannot take photographs easily, especially without a tripod but thanks to a new technology and hours of work you can enjoy for the first time the full glory of this room - the cost of the photographs in this room will set you back in Billions.

I was privileged to get in after closing time! as in normal time there are hundreds of people storming the room with temperature exceeding 35 degrees so photography is almost impossible.

Music (room 112) and Champagne have made this visit one of the best I have ever encountered.

http://www.fashionbyvogue.com/events/amazing/hermitage/day.html


Please be patience to load and let me know what you think

Special thanks to Martin Hopkins who helped me to understand how to create a map etc,
Special thanks to the guy at Topaz who created the best software enhancing program ever.

Erik Hoffman
www.erikhoffman.co.uk

Hi Erik,

Thanks for sharing. Excellent handheld panos. Wonderful places! You are so privileged!
One question. is monopod allowed?

Nick

hoffmanerik
09-22-2010, 01:35 PM
Funny you should mention that I never asked

Erik

hindenhaag
09-22-2010, 02:31 PM
Erik,

I just saw your post early in the morning and even then I was very impressed. Now being home, 21.51, I took my time to load and have a look to a part of your work. It is worth every second of loading time. Erik, you know your job and I have great respect for you personally standing for such a project, besides, handheld or monopod. You managed to get into the rooms free of visitors. This alone shows a part of your enthusiasm you do your work with.

To dare to do this project handheld, not only one room, but the hole project. UUfff. Taking all these pictures is only the chance to give a re-birth to the work of these often penniless dying artists and to present it to a greater audience. And then with great respect I adore the amount of energy, knowledge and time you have set into this project to be able to present this result.

I think this is the first GIGAPIXEL HANDHELD PANO in the world.

Erik, besides your other brilliant work, for me this is an emperors shot.

Besides this guys, Erik knows to solve his hardware problems as well. D3 bumping into the R1 knobs, Erik asks someone to produce an adding column to prevent this problem and sends his measurement of the construction to the forum.

When he needs a different connection for his remote control for R1, he reports that he has found a plug and presents the diagram to connect the points. And then.....desert. Little or nothing from Erik.

And besides his former presentations on this forum now a bomb is exploding.

Erik, thx a lot, great respect, I like the way you do your job in your personal way. Not many of you around, but I feel happy that some people of your personality and enthusiasm take their time to present this result.

Regards,

Heinz

BTW: DennisS, sorry I can't remember, have you been allowed to take your Louvre shots with a monopod or have they been taken handheld?

DennisS
09-22-2010, 08:53 PM
BTW: DennisS, sorry I can't remember, have you been allowed to take your Louvre shots with a monopod or have they been taken handheld?
All except the lower lobby were hand held. No camera support devices allowed.

hoffmanerik
10-24-2010, 05:17 PM
Thanks for the complement Heinz

Just to point out for a little marvel which help me to level the camera - see link below

http://www.enjoyyourcamera.com/Tripods-Accessories/Tripod-Accessories/Digital-Spirit-Level-Seculine-Action-Level-Sound::2783.html

If you dont level the camera there will be too much work in photoshop to patch the final result as it will not stitch correctly

Erik

hindenhaag
10-24-2010, 06:37 PM
Thx for the tip Erik,

may be one of these Acc. can help you next time?

http://www.nodalninja.com/forum/showthread.php?4152-Video-Fanotec-s-new-Carbon-Fiber-pole-right-out-of-the-box-what-you-get&p=32060#post32060

Heinz