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patella
05-21-2010, 09:52 PM
Don't have a lot of time between training trips to edit my stuff, but since everyone was so kind to help me get the quick release plate before my trip down to Southern Utah, I figured I had to share what I've edited so far.

Two images. One from the east side of Zion National Park in the Checkerboard Mesa area. The other is in Red Canyon just before Bryce Canyon National Park. I have a bunch of others, but that's going to take some time and I really need to be working on laundry before I head out to WA on Monday. :biggrin:

Checkerboard Mesa
http://www.jtniekamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/100510-Niekamp-0140-sm.jpg

Red Canyon Tree
http://www.jtniekamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/100516-Niekamp-0015-sm.jpg

Thanks again to Bill and everyone else at Nodal Ninja for the exceptional customer service.

Vincèn
05-21-2010, 10:26 PM
wow :ohmy: really nice :biggrin: do you have some interactive versions of these panoramas ?

Bill Bailey
05-22-2010, 06:00 AM
EXCELLENT!!

Bill

Bill Bailey
05-22-2010, 06:01 AM
Hey Vincen,
Your next trip to Arizona should include travel to these locations :biggrin:

Bill

patella
05-22-2010, 07:04 AM
Vincèn -- Nothing yet. Like I said, Just trying to give myself a taste of what I've shot. Interactives will come as soon as I can get the time.

Vincèn
05-22-2010, 08:19 AM
Your next trip to Arizona should include travel to these locations :biggrin:

I'm thinking a long road trip way back from Salt Lake City through Utah deserts, and then Arizona, Phoenix, Tucson :wink: Just need to arrange that now :biggrin:

Vincèn
05-22-2010, 08:20 AM
Like I said, Just trying to give myself a taste of what I've shot. Interactives will come as soon as I can get the time.

Please share them here when you'll get time to build them as I'm sure lot of people will appreciate them :wink: In the meantime perhaps you can share equipments used to shoot these :biggrin:

Vincèn

Bill Bailey
05-22-2010, 02:03 PM
Please share them here when you'll get time to build them as I'm sure lot of people will appreciate them :wink: In the meantime perhaps you can share equipments used to shoot these :biggrin:
Vincèn

You MUST include Sedona - 2-3 days.
Bill

Vincèn
05-22-2010, 08:48 PM
You MUST include Sedona - 2-3 days.

We'll need three months with Neil to see all these places :biggrin:

hindenhaag
05-22-2010, 10:52 PM
Wow, excellent.

Looking forward to the next.

Sometimes we europeans are jealous of missing places like this. :'(

Heinz

Vincèn
05-22-2010, 11:15 PM
Sometimes we europeans are jealous of missing places like this. :'(

Just different views I'd say :wink: we have very nice mountains here or old buildings :biggrin:

Vincèn

Flashificator
05-22-2010, 11:42 PM
Sometimes we europeans are jealous of missing places like this. :'(

Heinz


Vast open empty spaces... I wonder if this is what it would look like if a panorama was taken from within a politicians head.

... nah... impossible... there IS a light in both of those panos... and both of them look friendly. :001_smile:

Trausti

patella
05-23-2010, 08:53 AM
Wow, excellent.

Looking forward to the next.

Sometimes we europeans are jealous of missing places like this. :'(

Heinz


First, thanks!

Second, and as someone else said, no reason to be jealous -- it's just different from the locations in Europe. Some of my favorite single-row panos were shot in Britain. Here's a link to one. (Sorry it's not a bigger image.) http://www.jtniekamp.com/?p=133

patella
06-02-2010, 09:18 PM
OK, here's the first flash version I've ever made. http://www.jtniekamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/100516-Niekamp-0015-sm.swf I can see a little image doubling down around the nadir shot. Currently waiting for the NN nadir jig to be available again. It also seems a little soft, which is probably do to the initial image. This interactive was made with a 3600x1800 pixel image.

I'm sure I could use some pointers as far as settings in Pano2VR go. Primarily, what "numbers" do you use to make a nice, crisp, full-screen interactive pano? How big is your equirectangular image prior to conversion? Any suggested settings for Pano2VR?

Vincèn
06-02-2010, 10:27 PM
OK, here's the first flash version I've ever made. http://www.jtniekamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/100516-Niekamp-0015-sm.swf
You should allow more zoom out :wink: to be less "in" the picture !

Vincèn

DennisS
06-03-2010, 09:07 AM
I'm sure I could use some pointers as far as settings in Pano2VR go. Primarily, what "numbers" do you use to make a nice, crisp, full-screen interactive pano? How big is your equirectangular image prior to conversion? Any suggested settings for Pano2VR?
I am by no means an expert, but here is what I do.

I keep the panorama at full resolution and 100% detail all the way through the process until the very end. You need to sharpen the image in Photoshop as part of your workflow. Using my Nikon D300, my Sigma 8mm lens gives me a 8000x4000 image (40 megs). My Nikon 10.5 yields an image 11000x5500(70 megs).

In Pano2VR I use a cube face of 2000 and an image quality of 80. The final .swf file size is usually under 5 megs. I leave all the other settings alone. I also disable all zooming 99% of the time. Zooming in only gets you a pixelated image and USUALLY does not add anything to the panorama.

The lower the image quality setting, the smaller the final file size and the quicker it will load. Play with it until you get a setting you are comfortable with. With internet speeds increasing all the time, there will be a day (soon, I hope) that we can post our panoramas at 100% quality.

http://www.dlsphoto.net/GWBR2010/Roadside_1/Panorama_No_Buttons.swf

full screen version is here: http://www.dlsphoto.net/GWBR2010/Roadside_2/Panorama.html

Vincèn
06-03-2010, 09:39 AM
The lower the image quality setting, the smaller the final file size and the quicker it will load. Play with it until you get a setting you are comfortable with. With internet speeds increasing all the time, there will be a day (soon, I hope) that we can post our panoramas at 100% quality.

Please forget that law that states that you need to reduce size of pictures for Internet. If you publish your panoramas with tools such as KRPano or FPP that work with tiles, you can publish some very big pictures as speedy as low resolution ones :wink: When I stitch my panoramas I get a final TIFF file often bigger than 1Go and I use that file to publish on Internet without reduction of quality or resolution as KRPano manages that perfectly well :wink:

Vincèn

DennisS
06-03-2010, 05:04 PM
Please forget that law that states that you need to reduce size of pictures for Internet.

There is no law that states you need to reduce picture size for the internet.

Larger file sizes taking longer to load is true no matter what viewer is used or what internet speed the user has. The more bytes to transmit, the longer it will take to get the entire panorama to the workstation. There are technologies that break up the file into smaller bits. The downside is that as you pan to an area you have not seen before, you wait for that part of the panorama to load. As you zoom in, you wait for that data to load. 5 meg panorama fits into memory but does not have the best detail and really should have all zooming disabeled. Gigpixel panoramas have the best detail, but the entire panorama will not fit into memory, so you wait for the pieces to load. As internet speeds increase, we will be able to raise the quality. There will be a day when the KRPano technology will be common place. Internet speeds will be so high that the delay when panning and zooming will be so short it will almost be invisible to the end user. Until then, smaller files with less detail load faster than larger files with more detail. It is up to the panographer to decide what is acceptable and what technology to use.

The original question was asking for Pano2VR settings and original image dimensions. I provided my settings and an example of a panorama created with those settings. KRPano is the future, just not yet for me.

patella
06-04-2010, 08:54 AM
The other thing I have to consider, when considering file sizes, is not what the user can handle, but what my server will allow as monthly bandwidth usage.

I could, exaggerating to make my case, effectively put ONE large file (in size) that a FEW people could download before hitting my server's cap. Or I could place MANY smaller file sized images that MORE people could view before hitting that same cap.

I am, however, open to suggestions of places to store larger images free of charge. Until that point, I'll stick with small file sizes for use on the web.

Nevertheless, thank you all for your input!

Vincèn
06-04-2010, 08:57 AM
I could, exaggerating to make my case, effectively put ONE large file (in size) that a FEW people could download before hitting my server's cap. Or I could place MANY smaller file sized images that MORE people could view before hitting that same cap.
I am, however, open to suggestions of places to store larger images free of charge. Until that point, I'll stick with small file sizes for use on the web.

You are right, bandwith limit of your hosting is something important to consider and very different in the world, from what I know in USA and Canada, most hosting are not unlimited bandwith ! In Europe, and mainly in France, hosting is traffic unlimited as ADSL/fiber connections :wink:

Vincèn