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jrhowell
03-21-2010, 10:15 AM
I've been using PTGui and krpano tools to process my panoramas. And I've been using krpano as a tool to display regular panos and 360 virtual tours. This all works great, except on non Flash devices like the iPhone ... and in 2 weeks my iPad.

Is anyone using a non Flash tool that would work on the iPhone and iPad?

Thanks.

Bill Bailey
03-21-2010, 10:51 AM
There are ways to display panorama on the iPhone:
I personally use an app called PangeaVR Pro - (there is a free version).
http://www.pangeasoft.net/pano/index.html

Also if you post your panoramas onto 360cities.net you can view them directly from the iPhone browser - no app is needed.

And another app coming out soon is Tourwrist
http://tourwrist.com/

Cheers
Bill

KG
05-27-2010, 05:17 AM
I had the same question and in my quest I came across some jquery options (http://www.openstudio.fr/+-Visites-Virtuelles-360o-+.html), but they are very primitive.

It seems that krpano (http://www.krpano.com/) is the first with an iPad 'fall back' option. It works surprisingly well.

Vincèn
05-27-2010, 07:01 AM
It seems that krpano (http://www.krpano.com/) is the first with an iPad 'fall back' option. It works surprisingly well.

Yep you just have to be aware that for now KRPano on iPad/iPod manages only individual panos, no virtual tour, but it should be avalaible in near future as Klaus (developer of krpano) is working on it :wink:

Vincèn

KG
06-04-2010, 01:57 PM
Apple just published on their website a html5 demo of a VR:
http://www.apple.com/html5/showcase/vr/

Unfortunately they did not publish a sample code.

Vincèn
06-04-2010, 09:30 PM
Apple just published on their website a html5 demo of a VR:
http://www.apple.com/html5/showcase/vr/
Unfortunately they did not publish a sample code.
And they prevent you to see it if you don't use Safari unless other browsers support HTML5 :-\ Looks like Apple is going more and more Microsoft's way to develop its "own" standards :sad:

Flashificator
06-04-2010, 10:19 PM
First of all, they claim "new web standards"... yet these are NOT accepted WEB STANDARDS.

They are using lies and deceit to trick people into believing there are new web standards the Safari browser happens to be the "only" browser to show you...

Clicking it without Safari installed, you get this:


You’ll need to download Safari to view this demo.

This demo was designed with the latest web standards supported by Safari. If you’d like to experience this demo, simply download Safari. It’s free for Mac and PC, and it only takes a few minutes.

Safari For Mac + PC Download Safari

So you download Safari and try again... and if you happen to be a PC user, you will be told that you need a MAC or some other Apple device to see the horrible examples on the site.

The site will not display on a Safari UNLESS it is installed on an Apple device.

So much for the "new standards" : Only if you use Safari and only if you use it on a Mac, can you travel the new standardized web :001_smile: :001_smile: :001_smile:

Installing a whole new browser, is somehow better than installing Flash?

Never mind having to buy new hardware to have that browser to work :001_smile:

It's getting beyond crazy.

KG
06-05-2010, 04:07 AM
Oh well, I am not here to defend Apple, but there are no browsers yet that have the latest html5 technology built in.
To view the VR demo, the browser must be capable to process CSS 3D Transforms, and currently Safari is the only browser that can do that.
If you take for instance Google's Chrome to this page: http://developer.apple.com/safaridemos/ you can see what is currently supported in Chrome and what not.

But the question here was: Is there a non-Flash tool for the iPhone/Pad and the answer is: yes, I found another one, which seems to be working without having to pay for a special program to create it.
I am currently digging trough the code (together with a friend who is more capable in this sort of thing than I am) to see if it is easy to implement on a site. It looks promising.

KG
06-14-2010, 06:43 AM
I think I've got it working now.

Here is a testpage
If you visit this url: http://gillissen.com/veerboot the page decides what version of the pano you get.
If you visit is with an iPad: you'll get a large html5 version
If you visit it with an iPhone: you'll get a small html5 version
If you visit it with a system with QuickTime installed, you'll get a QTVR
and all others get a Flash pano.

Vincèn
06-14-2010, 07:21 AM
If you visit it with a system with QuickTime installed, you'll get a QTVR
and all others get a Flash pano.
Why still use QTVR that is obsolete ? all the more QTVR is really slow on Snow Leopard, so I think everyone else (out of iPhone/iPad should get Flash version :biggrin:

Vincèn

KG
06-14-2010, 07:24 AM
Because some of my visitors don't use Flash.
There are some who think it is too dangerous and on OS X Flash doesn't perform wel.

Karel

Vincèn
06-14-2010, 08:02 AM
OS X Flash doesn't perform wel.
I think people should stop thinking everything Steve Jobs says is truth ! Flash runs well on Mac, both on my MacPro and Macbook with either Firefox or Chrome don't have any issues !

Vincèn

Flashificator
06-14-2010, 08:46 AM
Now that Vincén has washed Steve Jobs' mouth with caustic soda-soap, I have to confirm that Flash runs very well on Macs. QTVR is completely obsolete. Just consider the download of QTVR as the first stepping stone... it's in the tens of MB's, then it has to be installed, which is often a problem in work environments, where people are not allowed to install any software on their corporate computers.

Flash is already installed on 98% of the world's computers, and in case of an update, it is only around 2.4 MB in size, and is installed in seconds.

HTML5 is already installed on ... less than 1% of the world's internet capable computing devices (including iPads, iPhones)

People who think Flash runs badly on Mac's, is dangerous etc. do NOT need QTVR ... rather they need to be told the TRUTH.

spiritburner
06-14-2010, 12:36 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10257411.stm

just in case nobody saw this.....

and

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ in case anyone wants to get wound up.

hey i use Flash and QTVR on both platforms and they work well, agree with Vincen that QTVR is now a bit slow on OSX but it still works although now it does look dated considering what you can do in Flash. Lets see if Flash lasts as long as QTVR!
:biggrin:

KG
06-15-2010, 02:51 PM
Wow, i did not intend to start some flame war here. I only want to be able to present my panoramas in a way that the client side does not have to worry what additional software to install to view them.

And yes, I know at least two large companies who will not allow Flash (nor Acrobat reader) to be installed on corporate systems because of the safety risks involved. And I think that inevitably we are heading to a future where we can present out panoramas without the need for the client side to install additional software. At least that would be my ideal solution.

etegration
06-16-2010, 01:30 AM
And they prevent you to see it if you don't use Safari unless other browsers support HTML5 :-\ Looks like Apple is going more and more Microsoft's way to develop its "own" standards :sad:


exactly. this is damn irritating!

cellarman
07-13-2010, 11:13 AM
Oh well, I am not here to defend Apple, but there are no browsers yet that have the latest html5 technology built in.
To view the VR demo, the browser must be capable to process CSS 3D Transforms, and currently Safari is the only browser that can do that.
If you take for instance Google's Chrome to this page: http://developer.apple.com/safaridemos/ you can see what is currently supported in Chrome and what not.

But the question here was: Is there a non-Flash tool for the iPhone/Pad and the answer is: yes, I found another one, which seems to be working without having to pay for a special program to create it.
I am currently digging trough the code (together with a friend who is more capable in this sort of thing than I am) to see if it is easy to implement on a site. It looks promising.


Hi Kg

Just picked up on this post. What exactly was it that you found to create this I/phone/pad pano? Sorry if I have missed something.

Brian

jmeberg
07-15-2010, 01:33 PM
Anyone using krpano? You can create a flash pano and an javascript version from the same equi-rectangular file. If you view the pano from an iDevice you get the javascript version, and if you view it from a device that can use flash you get the flash version. You can see examples here http://www.jmbphotoworks.com/VT/idevices/ http://www.jmbphotoworks.com/VT/Flash%20Tours/LCC/ and here http://www.krpano.com/iphone/

Yes it is limited but you know that will change soon.

Try visiting these links both on a computer and an iPhone or iPad

Jeremy

Vincèn
07-15-2010, 09:34 PM
Yes it is limited but you know that will change soon.
Yes for now it only displays individual panoramas, but soon it should be able to manage regular virtual tours as the flash version :001_smile:

Vincèn

etegration
07-18-2010, 06:45 PM
Why still use QTVR that is obsolete ? all the more QTVR is really slow on Snow Leopard, so I think everyone else (out of iPhone/iPad should get Flash version :biggrin:

Vincèn

i agree. All to abandon QT for good. use Flash or others like PangeaVR for iPhone/ iPad.

sphericalMiracle
05-31-2011, 07:55 AM
There's an app called iPano which works on any iDevice. It let's you keep a portfolio of your panos and it uses the gyroscopes. Best viewer app by far!

hindenhaag
05-31-2011, 11:33 AM
Hi and welcome to the forum,

Thx for sharing. I had a look to it, I suppose you mean the App for Ipod/Iphone from watersoft. Cause there is a ipod.eu showing Panos.

http://www.watersoftapps.com/ipano.php

This is a link for everyone who might be interested. I know there are a lot of discussions about Ipod/Iphone connection cause the rare policy of Apple!. A lot of people are interested in this.

I am an apple fan, but this is a point I do not understand Apple's policy. For me the product speaks on its own. Without setting up new barriers.

I think this is the right link to buy it: http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/ipano/id437354990?mt=8

You have to test it on your own guys, cause I do not have an Iphone/Ipad - no need - cause I do not like to be forced to make contracts with preselected mobile companies for years. I like to select one on my own. Besides this I use and like apple hardware.

Anyway, this might be a good app to solve some miracles. Thx again.

Cheers,
Heinz

hindenhaag
05-31-2011, 12:22 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum,

thx for sharing. I had a look to it, I suppose you mean the App for Ipod/Iphone from watersoft. Cause there is a ipod.eu showing panos.

http://www.watersoftapps.com/ipano.php

360texas
06-05-2011, 08:34 AM
Created this 4 June 2011. Click the pano thumbnail. It is designed for iPhone 4, iPad 2 (bought this yesterday for testing) and for everyone else it falls back to Flash 9/10 viewer installed on their devices.

Developed this using Pano2VR Pro 3.0 using the html5/ CSS3 option. This is the first time using the html5/css3 feature.

http://www.360texas.com/services/sr/dbu/index.htm

I know this works on our new iPad 2 32gb device. Our internal lan network is 802.11n and our outbound internet connection is 6 gbps. Image quality is a bit soft but that is because the original pano is not over sharpened.

I have not yet received any constructive email comments from iPhone or iPad visitors. [ texas360 at swbell dot net ]

Now I will try tweaking cube face sizes and compressions to see if I can make some improvements in view experiences.

Dave
[skype iam360texas ]

360texas
06-09-2011, 03:28 PM
Today 9 Jun 11 we have increased the cube face size for the 2 images... Hotel and Aerial. Image appears sharper but hopefully not oversharpened.

http://www.360texas.com/services/sr/dbu/index.htm

360texas
06-12-2011, 11:40 AM
12June 2011
When visiting http://360texas.com/services/sr/dbu/index.htm

I have marked each of the panorama nadir tiles to show what cubeface/tile size is being delivered to your device. Tilt down and read the text in the nadir.

I would be helpful is you could post here in forum your platform MAC or PC OS/ browser version/ Flash plug-in version
If you see no text you are using Flash. Otherwise you will see html5/css3 xxx pixel wide. The value is the width of your cubeface/Tile being delivered to your device.

PC MS Vista SP2:
IE 9 Adobe Flash 10.3.181.23 - No Text visible No black or gray tile while loading
FireFox 4.0.1 Adobe Flash 10.2.152.32- No Text visible - noticed grey tile cubeface preview before full loading. Reloads fast from browser cache - gray tile not noticable

Safari 5.0.2 (7533.18.5) I guess its using html5 because I read - "html5/css5 1300 pixels wide" noticed black cubeface tiling before full loading. Reloads fast from browser cache - gray tile not noticable

Note: Zoom in/out works properly for IE9, Firefox, Safari Desktops Browsers. I used [x] inverse mouse wheel on PC Dell wired mouse. Please know this: I have deliberately set the zoom in/out and FOV to very small zoom distance. This prevents the visitor zoom in full to pixelation and zoom out to see all barrel distortion.

iPad 2 Safari and it reads "html5/css3 960 pixels wide" which of course is the tile/cubeface 960x960 pixels. noticed black cubeface tiling before full loading. Reloads fast from browser cache - black cubeface/tile not noticable


Do not have mobile phone with internet connection or android phones or tablets.

Nagoyajin
07-29-2011, 06:08 PM
I too wish that Flash was supported on these devices but considering the size of our group, what we say or think about standards won't even be noticed much less responded to by Apple. Complaining here about the lack of Flash support on iPhones and iPads is a waste of energy. The reality is, they are very popular devices and for us to be able to display our work on them, we need to find solutions that work within their constraints.

That said, I just tried out the iPano app that sphericalMiracle and Hindenhaag referenced above, and so far it is the best implementation I have seen so far. The fact that it fully uses the gyro feature is a huge deal. What it means is that, rather than using your finger to direct where to look, you just point the iPad in the direction you want to look. Like a window frame you hold to look in any direction you want to see. An added benefit is that the screen motion matches your movement naturally so there is none of the vertigo that goes along with the finger pointing method. This puts the VR back into 360 panoramas. I showed this to my 85-year-old mother last night and without a word of explanation, she understood the paradigm. (She still doesn't quite get or like the 360s on the computer screen).

Up to now I had been using PangeaVR but this is a game changer. This just reenergized my desire to get out take some 360s.

Wim.Koornneef
07-30-2011, 11:49 PM
If you are using KRPano and have an iPhone4 or iPad2 you could make panos for iDevices that are capable of using the gyros when the iDevice have them.
For this KRPano is using one of Aldo Hoeben's plugins.
Pano2VR is not capable of using the gyros yet but I expect that it will be very soon.

Wim