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DemonDuck
01-18-2010, 05:08 PM
You can get painter's poles in the hardware store for really cheap. You can get lengths of 10-12 feet. Good enough to clear the crowd.

But they have a funny kind of thread on the end. I think they are 5/8 / 6. Really course threads.

I've thought about getting one to play around with but always am stumped on how to fix my NN3 to the end.

See where I'm going? Nodal Ninja already makes a pole adapter. What about a simple pole adapter with the big course threads that would screw onto the end of the painter's pole with a 1/4 tripod bolt on top?

Probably not a big seller though....

nick fan
01-18-2010, 07:25 PM
You can get painter's poles in the hardware store for really cheap. You can get lengths of 10-12 feet. Good enough to clear the crowd.

But they have a funny kind of thread on the end. I think they are 5/8 / 6. Really course threads.

I've thought about getting one to play around with but always am stumped on how to fix my NN3 to the end.

See where I'm going? Nodal Ninja already makes a pole adapter. What about a simple pole adapter with the big course threads that would screw onto the end of the painter's pole with a 1/4 tripod bolt on top?

Probably not a big seller though....


if you can supply me the spec of the thread, I can make a 3/8" male adapter for it.


Nick

DemonDuck
01-18-2010, 08:27 PM
if you can supply me the spec of the thread, I can make a 3/8" male adapter for it.
Nick


I don't know if there are American style hardware stores where you live but if there are, then I think paint poles would be pretty common. Since we here in the U.S. get most (nearly all) of our stuff from China, they should be the same thing. :wink:

The next time I'm in the hardware store, I'll ask and tell you what I find out.

waters
01-19-2010, 08:56 AM
I tried drilling a hole in a softwood and threading the pole end into it, but it was crude. See: http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2000792/2408/Woodthreading-Kit--34-x-6-TPI.aspx for a thread and tap set. A 3/8 bolt centered on top of the tapped hole would allow attachment of the R10 / R1. Of course all of the above in a nice cast / machined aluminum block would be even nicer!
It is not a wacky idea at all but a practical answer to using easily available extension poles.

Hugh
01-19-2010, 09:11 AM
Is it possible that if it is a 5/8th thread that it is a 5/8" Whitworth in which case you could use one of the Leica Scanner adaptors (e.g. L-N3-C-10):
http://store.nodalninja.com/category_s/37.htm

Best regards, Hugh.

DemonDuck
01-19-2010, 11:12 AM
I tried drilling a hole in a softwood and threading the pole end into it, but it was crude. See: http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2000792/2408/Woodthreading-Kit--34-x-6-TPI.aspx for a thread and tap set. A 3/8 bolt centered on top of the tapped hole would allow attachment of the R10 / R1. Of course all of the above in a nice cast / machined aluminum block would be even nicer!
It is not a wacky idea at all but a practical answer to using easily available extension poles.


The adapter could even be molded from dense plastic. The threads are so course that molding would produce something with acceptable tolerances and being plastic it would be lighter. If it was molded with a 3/8 hole, you could provide your own bolt to suit your needs.

DemonDuck
01-19-2010, 11:18 AM
Is it possible that if it is a 5/8th thread that it is a 5/8" Whitworth in which case you could use one of the Leica Scanner adaptors (e.g. L-N3-C-10):
http://store.nodalninja.com/category_s/37.htm

Best regards, Hugh.



No, I don't think it's Whitworth -- according to:

http://www.timebus.co.uk/rlh/whitworth.htm

Whitworth have 12 threads per inch. That's courser than most but not as course as the threads on the end of a paint pole. They look like there's about 4-6 thread's per inch. Really course.

jwigum
01-19-2010, 11:29 AM
http://www.kaceyenterprises.com/?page_id=447

Is that what you're looking for? While the top is 5/8, looks to be "standard extension pole threads (3/4 x 5 threads per inch)" for the pole adapter on the bottom.

DemonDuck
01-19-2010, 12:35 PM
http://www.kaceyenterprises.com/?page_id=447

Is that what you're looking for? While the top is 5/8, looks to be "standard extension pole threads (3/4 x 5 threads per inch)" for the pole adapter on the bottom.


Close. But there is no bolt on the top. And way over engineered for attaching a pano head. But yes, that's close.

Hugh
01-22-2010, 11:53 AM
Hello DemonDuck,

Sorry to hear that the thread is not standard Whitworth.
I have found a similar pole in a Hardware Store here in the UK ( I am assuming you are in the USA from your comment to Nick), so think that I now know what you are looking at.
The threaded part is hard plastic so my next suggestion if a bit of Engineering is in order is to drill a 13/64" hole vertically into the top (say about 1" to 1 ?" deep) and tap a " Whitworth thread into the hole.
Hopefully a 13/64" drill bit and " Whitworth tap should not cost too much.
From the same source as you would purchase the drill bit and tap you should be able to purchase a " Whitworth threaded rod or a bolt (say 2" long).
The bolt (rod) will screw into the threaded hole, but I would suggest aralditing (epoxy resin glue) the bolt into the threaded hole for added security.
Cut the rod / bolt to the required length protruding from the plastic thread and use a to 3/8th Whitworth adaptor to convert the thread to the required 3/8 Whitworth for your Nodal Ninja.
I have suggested using a Whitworth (standard camera to tripod thread) rather than the 3/8 Whitworth to leave more of the existing plastic thread.

Best regards, Hugh.

DemonDuck
01-22-2010, 04:12 PM
Hello DemonDuck,

Sorry to hear that the thread is not standard Whitworth.
I have found a similar pole in a Hardware Store here in the UK ( I am assuming you are in the USA from your comment to Nick), so think that I now know what you are looking at
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Best regards, Hugh.


I would be a happy man if I had the tools and the workshop to do that sort of thing. There's lots of stuff I could think to do.

But I don't......

Hugh
01-23-2010, 06:01 AM
Hello DemonDuck,

Yes, I understand. Its not everybodys way to fiddle about like this.

Nick has suggested he can make an adaptor for you, but another solution could be to use a surveyors pole, which come in varying styles, many of which have a 5/8 Whitworth thread at the top and can be converted to a 3/8th Whitworth tread to fit your NN3 with a Camera Adapter for Leica Geosystems:
http://store.nodalninja.com/category_s/37.htm
These parts are made by a company, which I believe is in the USA, called Seco who specialize in accessories for Surveyors and produce a wide range of Surveyors Poles:
http://www.surveying.com/products/pcat.asp?prodCatID=15
The company markets its products in the USA and worldwide:
http://www.surveying.com/dfinder/index.asp
Other accessories include tripods for holding the poles:
http://www.surveying.com/products/details.asp?prodID=5218-02-YEL
and even extension poles with a5/8 Whitworth threads if you need even more height:
http://www.surveying.com/products/details.asp?prodID=5902-00-FLY

I appreciate that this is not as low cost as Painters Poles from your local hardware store, but can elevate your camera above the heads of the crowd, with reliability.

One question though, if your pole was 10-12 feet long how do you turn your NN3?

Best regards, Hugh.

DemonDuck
01-23-2010, 09:54 AM
Hello DemonDuck,

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I appreciate that this is not as low cost as Painters Poles from your local hardware store, but can elevate your camera above the heads of the crowd, with reliability.

One question though, if your pole was 10-12 feet long how do you turn your NN3?

Best regards, Hugh.



Thanks -- the central idea was the cheap, readily available painters pole. There's lots of other poles. And you don't turn the pano head -- you turn the pole. But thanks again for your input.

Hugh
01-25-2010, 02:44 AM
I suspected that might be the case, so forget that the pole actually has a thread.
If you have a mini (table top) tripod of gorilla pod, you could tape this to the pole or alternatively use a bottle pod, which should be strong enough to support your Fuji e900.
I dont know if the clamping device will go small enough for the 5/8th diameter so have ordered one to have a play with.
http://www.cameta.com/OSN-Bottle-Top-Camera-Pod-Clamping-Mount-33547.cfm?utm_source=googlebase_uk&utm_medium=base_uk
http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=101571
http://www.hama.co.uk/portal/articleId*126826/action*2563;jsessionid=03C00D0E9EB64BA73544F9A2259 CFEEC.tomcat_uk_lin8

DemonDuck
01-25-2010, 04:02 AM
I suspected that might be the case, so forget that the pole actually has a thread.
If you have a mini (table top) tripod of gorilla pod, you could tape this to the pole or alternatively use a bottle pod, which should be strong enough to support your Fuji e900.
I dont know if the clamping device will go small enough for the 5/8th diameter so have ordered one to have a play with.
http://www.cameta.com/OSN-Bottle-Top-Camera-Pod-Clamping-Mount-33547.cfm?utm_source=googlebase_uk&utm_medium=base_uk
http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=101571
http://www.hama.co.uk/portal/articleId*126826/action*2563;jsessionid=03C00D0E9EB64BA73544F9A2259 CFEEC.tomcat_uk_lin8


Now that might work. It should easily fit over the end of a paint pole or any other pole up to 30mm. I think I'll get one my self. Thanks.

But you still will have to bolt your NN3 (or what ever you are using) to the top to put the camera at an optimal nodal point. For example, my compact camera has an offset tripod socket and if I used a fisheye the lens would be 6 inches to far forward so I'd put my NN3 or NN2 on the top.

BTW: an old NN2 makes an excellent monopod pano head. Just take the rotator off and bolt it directly to the monopod. Great for small cameras.

acer4x
01-28-2010, 03:41 PM
Hello -

A solution perhaps to your paint pole project.... purchase a tripod center column at 1" diameter and slip that over the end of the painter pole. No need to bother with adapters. Tape the column securely to the pole. This way you can attach any head to the end of the pole.

Have fun!

acer

Hugh
02-06-2010, 03:13 AM
My adaptor arrived today, but is very disappointing.

I needed to wrap electrical insulation tape around the 5/8 pole to build it up to 1 diameter before the clamp would tighten enough and would not trust my camera on such a flimsy arrangement.

Perhaps Acers solution is the way forward, which is a pity because the adapter cost 3.39 (post free) whereas a Tripod Center Column is going to cost at least 25, which detracts from the low cost painers pole.

charliez
02-17-2010, 10:31 AM
Are there any longer clamp screws that could be used to make the 30mm gap smaller?

discocandy
02-20-2010, 07:57 AM
a panorama pole I made from a painters pole of 2.4 meters I made a couple of years ago.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2150/2306437543_bab1cc12d7_b.jpg

At the time I looed at the bophoto clamp for this design.