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surftwisted
06-20-2008, 09:21 AM
ive been hunting about, but i cant find the answer. I use a canon 20 D and 17-40 lens. Am i right in thinking the nn5 is the one for me, and if so, why ?

nick fan
06-20-2008, 10:06 AM
get the NN5. NN3 does not support zenith shot.


nick

surftwisted
06-20-2008, 10:15 AM
cheers Nick fan, ok, i understand that bit, and the software for stiching all these shots, is photoshop cs3 ok ? or the photo stich on my canon software ?

nick fan
06-20-2008, 08:22 PM
and just out of interest, a stockist writes "Nodal Ninja NN5L Kit, includes NN5 Lite with 10-12, 45-60, 15-20 degree detent rings, N-CP1, rail stops, and hard shelled case" i know its going to be an obvious answer to someone who has used this kit before, but if im using my 17-40 lens, which of the above detent rings do i use ?


try this
http://nodalninja.com/forum/index.php?topic=123.0

nick

surftwisted
06-21-2008, 03:44 AM
great ! thats the page i never found, thanks amillion. Cup of coffee, radio on and sit back and start reading, thanks , T :biggrin:

surftwisted
06-23-2008, 06:05 AM
im beginning to see the light ! ! 1 more question, aside from the money difference does the Manfrotto 303 SPH Spherical VR Head have any advantages or disadvantages compared to the NN5L, it looks more solid, but thats just from web images, i have no experience of either ?

nick fan
06-23-2008, 07:54 AM
im beginning to see the light ! ! 1 more question, aside from the money difference does the Manfrotto 303 SPH Spherical VR Head have any advantages or disadvantages compared to the NN5L, it looks more solid, but thats just from web images, i have no experience of either ?


Advantage of Manfrotto 303 SPH
1. a world famous brand which is probably going to make you a proud owner.
2. More advanced 300N rotator.
3. Better craftsmanship in some of the components, anodized aliminum rails.
Disadvantage
1. more expensive
2. heavier, about twice as heavy as NN5(L) but not more stable
3. bulky or very bulky! You need a big dedicated bag or case for it.

Advantage of NN5(L).
1. cheaper even if you upgrade to the advanced rotator such as the RD12 which is better than 300N (more precise and 2 more settings available).
2. much lighter while maintaining the stability.
3. compact when packed in the dedicated case.
4. Personal, friendly customer support. Probably one of the best in the world. :wink: Generous and helpful user base in various forums.
Disadvantage
1. basic default rotator (but there will be advanced rotators for upgrade)
2. painted instead of anodized rails.
3. Not as famous (probably not going to make you a proud owner)


nick

Terrywoodenpic
06-23-2008, 08:29 AM
3. Not as famous (probably not going to make you a proud owner)
nick


I am not sure I agree with that one.
I use their tripods but I would not dream of using their pano bracket...
It is too big, too heavy, too cumbersome and too expensive.

From the number you see sold used on ebay, others think the same way as me.
Strangely when you see NN's on ebay they are always snapped up at prices often higher than the new price ::001_smile:

NN might be a small company when compared to Bogen/manfrotto, but I suspect it has more Pano heads in actual day to day use.
conversely there are probably more manfrotto ones gathering dust at home, and never used.

Terry

surftwisted
06-23-2008, 09:43 AM
thanks for all the pointers, im almost sold, just need to figure out the software next and then im in :ohmy:

nick fan
06-23-2008, 11:18 AM
I am not sure I agree with that one.
I use their tripods but I would not dream of using their pano bracket...
It is too big, too heavy, too cumbersome and too expensive.

From the number you see sold used on ebay, others think the same way as me.
Strangely when you see NN's on ebay they are always snapped up at prices often higher than the new price ::001_smile:

NN might be a small company when compared to Bogen/manfrotto, but I suspect it has more Pano heads in actual day to day use.
conversely there are probably more manfrotto ones gathering dust at home, and never used.

Terry


I guess the problem of 303 SPH is it inherited too much from the old design/ parts. Each part may be fine used individually. When added up together, it is simply too bulky and heavy.
NN3/ NN3II is very popular due to its features and aggressive pricing. I do hope as many people as possible can enjoy taking panos. It is so much fun. I know it since I made my crude pano bracket a few years ago. :biggrin:


nick

surftwisted
06-24-2008, 04:18 AM
getting ready to jump ! Somehow i navigated to this as a place to buy a NN5L
http://www.red-door.co.uk/
I have a good tripod, but no quick tilt leveller, im assuming this is something well worth adding, is there any suggested model ?
http://www.red-door.co.uk/pages/productpages/qpxl-2.html
thanks, T :biggrin:

nick fan
06-24-2008, 09:03 AM
getting ready to jump ! Somehow i navigated to this as a place to buy a NN5L
http://www.red-door.co.uk/
I have a good tripod, but no quick tilt leveller, im assuming this is something well worth adding, is there any suggested model ?
http://www.red-door.co.uk/pages/productpages/qpxl-2.html
thanks, T :biggrin:


A quick tilt leveler is not a must. You can adjust the legs of tripod to get good enough leveling. our EZ-Leveler MKII will be released in a few months. It will be perfect for NN5 and supports up to 10kg. It looks like the RD3L rotator without the top rotating part and detent components. The knobs will be in blue color.
http://nodalninja.com/3_RD3L_1.jpg
http://nodalninja.com/4_RD3L_2.jpg
It will be cheaper, lighter and more compact than Kaidan's.

nick

surftwisted
06-24-2008, 10:20 AM
:biggrin: ok, thanks, and red door ? or are you red door ?

nick fan
06-24-2008, 10:39 PM
Red-doors is our UK reseller.

nick

surftwisted
06-26-2008, 06:59 AM
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: GOT IT !!! ordered yesterday afternoon, and it arrived 50 minutes ago ! actually before i could begin tracking its progress with the DHL code i was given by way of conformation. :biggrin:

Expect many stupid questions in the near future. heres my first one, what software do you need for making a navigable 360 pano ?

John Houghton
06-26-2008, 01:09 PM
For stitching software, you can see what people are using in the poll at http://nodalninja.com/forum/index.php?topic=62.0. For spherical panoramas, Autopano Pro and PTGui are front runners. You can download trial versions of both and decide which suits you best. Depending on how you want to display your panoramas, there are additional packages that may be needed, such as Pano2QTVR, Pano2VR, Flash Panorama Player, Immervision Pure java player, DevalVR etc. But first you need to learn how to produce a 360x180 equirectangular image.

John

surftwisted
06-26-2008, 03:14 PM
great, thanks John, i will start looking into those asap :biggrin:

surftwisted
07-07-2008, 04:49 PM
:ohmy: this is compulsive ! im not making much progress but im having a great time trying !

surftwisted
07-08-2008, 06:06 AM
OK, here we go, this is coming together now. I'm using these settings now
Canon 20D
Canon 17-40mm
40mm
NN5 w/CP - 49
upright arm 110
I'm shooting one shot every click zoomed in at 40mm and every other click for zoomed out at 17, and I'm using the 18 deg N20 dial, can anyone just let me know if this is the correct setup to wrestle with now ? and i really don't understand what the w/CP bit means above ?
I'm still using my Canon photostitch software while i figure out what software to actually download, thanks, T
PS, I'm using my 17-40 even though i have borrowed a canon ef 15mm because i really cant get that one very close at all, any ideas ?

nick fan
07-08-2008, 10:45 AM
OK, here we go, this is coming together now. I'm using these settings now
Canon 20D
Canon 17-40mm
40mm
NN5 w/CP - 49
upright arm 110
I'm shooting one shot every click zoomed in at 40mm and every other click for zoomed out at 17, and I'm using the 18 deg N20 dial, can anyone just let me know if this is the correct setup to wrestle with now ? and i really don't understand what the w/CP bit means above ?


the detent setting is correct. w/cp means with camera mounting plate, that is the default configuration.


nick

surftwisted
07-08-2008, 12:05 PM
cheers Nick, and the 15 mm lens, any ideas ?