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nick fan
05-01-2008, 07:57 AM
Fanotec is proud to announce a new entry into the product line - the Nodal Ninja 180 (NN180). The NN180 will support camera/lens combinations which NN3/5 do not support. They include gears for dual shot spherical panos (such as Nikon FC-E8/E9 and the Sunex 5.6mm Fisheye) and very long converter-camera combinations such as FC-E9/ Raynox DCR-CF185 Pro with long prosumer or point and shoot Digital Cameras.


NN180 is also intended to simplify pano taking for certain camera/lens combinations by allowing single row shooting instead of multi-row shooting. They include cameras with circular fisheye lenses (such as the Sigma 4.5mm, sigma 8mm on full frame camera, Sunex 5.6mm, Nikon FC-E8/E9) for making spherical panos, and wide angle lenses for making cylindrical panos. Lenses such as shaved Nikon 10.5mm on full frame sensor and Sigma 8mm on cropped sensor can be supported by using a L-bracket and slanted adapter (to be released later) for making spherical panos.


Here are the features.
* universal for all circular fisheye lens
From compact digital cameras (T-adapter required for offset tripod socket) with FC-E8/E9 to big professional cameras like Canon 1Ds series and Nikon D3.
* advanced rotator design (Rotator D4).
Fully lubricated bearing for smooth rotation. Same rotator also works with other Nodal Ninja's.
* 4 detent interval options
Complete set of 4 detent interval options (2, 3, 4, 6 stops /180, 120, 90, 60 degrees), suitable for most fisheye lens for making spherical panos. No skipping required..
* detent interval can be changed in seconds
* knob for locking rotation
Ideal for making HDR panos or in windy locations.
* small nadir footprint
Diameter of 54mm provides sufficient precision and stability while keeping the nadir footprint small. The unique placement of knobs means that they will never appear in the spherical panos.
* compact and light weight
Weight 500g. Much lighter than multi-row equivalents.
* 5kg loading supported
Supports all cameras up to medium format.
* more affordable than multi-row equivalent


Estimated time of availability is September/October.
Target price is US$199.95 and an introductory price of US$179.95

http://nodalninja.com/180_cw__1_650.jpg
http://nodalninja.com/NN180__rotator_cw_650.jpg
http://nodalninja.com/180_cw_d300_8mm_3_650.jpg

DemonDuck
05-01-2008, 04:31 PM
Think tilt. Think monopod or pole shots. Think universal rotators and universal arms that fit the rotators that someone can mix and match to get the necessary geometry. Separate the rotators and the arms like you have done and make more different length arms to fit the rotators.

So a person with a compact camera can select one or two rotators for mono or tripod and short light arms to fit. An NN3 or NN5 on my camera would be like shooting rabbits with a 50mm machine gun. You could do it but...

nick fan
05-01-2008, 06:23 PM
Think tilt. Think monopod or pole shots. Think universal rotators and universal arms that fit the rotators that someone can mix and match to get the necessary geometry. Separate the rotators and the arms like you have done and make more different length arms to fit the rotators.


The tilt can be achieved by tilted camera plate. To keep the cost down, we won't have arms of different lengths. We simply do not have the economy of scale. But it is possible to make lens clamp type of rigs to attach to the rotator. They will be done by CNC machining. cost is higher though.


nick

lowjumpingfrog
05-07-2008, 08:59 PM
This looks good. I would be more interested in it if I could mount my camera in a portrait position. Many of my panos are just three shots in a single row. I love the "wide angle zoom" effect. By shooting 3 portrait shots in a single row you end up with a stitched picture that as a similar aspect as a single shot in landscape. The single row pano is great for banners but is hard to view in many situations.
I've often thought of just making a simple bracket that would hold the nodal point for the lens with the camera in the portrait position for single row panos. I always use the same camera and lens so adjustability is just a nuisance. Of course for a multipurpose product adjustability is required. Keep the innovations coming. I had not been on your web site for awhile and I see the acra mount. Sweet!
It is hard to beat the versatility of the NN3 and I just love how compact and lightweight it is. I used to haul my Manfrotto 303SP into the mountains. Now I can carry more food.
Cheers
John

nick fan
05-08-2008, 03:29 AM
This looks good. I would be more interested in it if I could mount my camera in a portrait position. Many of my panos are just three shots in a single row. I love the "wide angle zoom" effect. By shooting 3 portrait shots in a single row you end up with a stitched picture that as a similar aspect as a single shot in landscape. The single row pano is great for banners but is hard to view in many situations.


Hi John,

we will develop L-bracket for mounting in portrait mode the future. Camera specific product is costly to manage. Considering the number of cameras released every year, it is a nightmare for small company like us.


Nick

europanorama
05-09-2008, 05:43 PM
for portraits or changing from horizontals i have a stroboframe vertaflip from saunders. i have set markers to set nodalpoint for my p50 coolpix. there is big version even for up to mamiya press-cameras. it has 4 positions 35mm up to 69.i will test that too-later. first i must try out nikon coolpix p50(28-102) dont laugh. its lens is superbe despite camera limitations. i dont have pro-vr-heads yet. but a big roundshot as turntable-dont laugh again. i will certainly not carry around that beast(i have the old version of 65el-65/70/220).
if you are interested what is possible with roundshot, look here:
www.auschwitz.ch.vu or google auschwitzpanorama or auschwitz panorama

Macro
05-09-2008, 09:45 PM
if you are interested what is possible with roundshot, look here:
www.auschwitz.ch.vu or google auschwitzpanorama or auschwitz panorama

www.auschwitz.ch.vu = http://www.pic-upload.de/allownt.gif

kickstand
05-13-2008, 08:04 AM
Looking forward to this product.

Bill Bailey
05-13-2008, 08:50 AM
We hope you might take the time to share your feedback on how Nodal Ninja works for you.
Thank you for your order.
Bill

Joeober
06-13-2008, 11:14 PM
Looks very interesting! Will it be lighter, for monopod use? Will the price, with L-adapter be higher than NN3? I'd love to have a Nodal Ninja for monopod pano shooting with a Sigma 8mm f4 -- would need to use an L-adapter (or mount the lens directly, via a circular clamp), though, since I can't afford a full-frame, high-end dSLR that could shoot in landscape orientation!

nick fan
06-14-2008, 08:42 AM
I don't understand why you need a pano head with click stop rotator if you use a monopod. You can rotate the monopod directly. The click stop is not doing any good if you can't effectively prevent the mono pod from rotating. We will provide solution for monopod users in the future. Maybe we can even make monopods ourselves. :biggrin:



nick

DemonDuck
06-14-2008, 10:34 AM
I don't understand why you need a pano head with click stop rotator if you use a monopod. You can rotate the monopod directly. The click stop is not doing any good if you can't effectively prevent the mono pod from rotating. We will provide solution for monopod users in the future. Maybe we can even make monopods ourselves. :biggrin:
nick


I mostly use a monopod -- not that I'm making panos worth looking at but that's what I use. Easy to carry around.

You are right. A rotator on a monopod is silly and useless. What I would like on a monopod is
three things.

1) An adjustable bubble level that I can slide up and down the monopod so that it is always at a position that can
be easily seen.

2) A way to tilt the camera for down and up pointing shots and zenith.

3) A remote shutter release for a compact camera that doesn't have a remote shutter release.

And if you could control the tilt remotely, that would be a real winner.

If you make monopods, make it so that it could go 10 -12 feet tall for shooting over the heads of
crowds.

I use a plastic disk with marks on it under the monopod's foot for rotational positions. A real
wide lens you wouldn't need anything -- 4 shots around is pretty easy to eyeball. I've been
thinking about a compass for more than 8 shots. An integrated compass and bubble level
would be the perfect thing.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it... :wink:

Lilien
06-28-2008, 05:38 PM
1) An adjustable bubble level that I can slide up and down the monopod so that it is always at a position that can
be easily seen.

Have a look at the...

Bogen - Manfrotto Spirit Level for Aligning Auto Poles (#2963)


Kind regards,

Juergen

etegration
09-11-2008, 12:19 AM
Is there a good date we can look forward to the NN 180? :wink:

nick fan
09-11-2008, 07:00 AM
In two weeks.

nick

etegration
09-14-2008, 09:49 AM
In two weeks.

nick


great news!

Bill Bailey
09-14-2008, 05:24 PM
Some of the first production run images - we'll be accepting pre-orders soon :biggrin:

http://nodalninja.com/180_cw__1_650.jpg

http://nodalninja.com/NN180__rotator_cw_650.jpg

http://nodalninja.com/180_cw_d300_8mm_3_650.jpg

http://nodalninja.com/180_cw_d300_8mm_2_650.jpg

etegration
09-14-2008, 11:07 PM
Some of the first production run images - we'll be accepting pre-orders soon :biggrin:

[to save on banwidth and page length moderator removed duplicate images which are shown in above post]


OMG i have got to have one of these! pre order, preorder!!! when when when? where to preorder? hahaha

Macro
09-14-2008, 11:39 PM
Nice work!
How much does this weigh?

What are the advantages of having an elevated horizontal rail? (Rather than a single rail from the top of the rotator?)

Any option for more detents or an Arca style clamp?

etegration
09-15-2008, 04:46 AM
time to create a seperate sub forum for this too! heheh

nick fan
09-15-2008, 06:51 AM
Nice work!
How much does this weigh?

What are the advantages of having an elevated horizontal rail? (Rather than a single rail from the top of the rotator?)

Any option for more detents or an Arca style clamp?


elevated so as to
1. reduce nadir footprint.
2. better accommodate fisheye converters with large diameter.


nick

Terrywoodenpic
09-15-2008, 12:11 PM
elevated so as to
1. reduce nadir footprint.
2. better accommodate fisheye converters with large diameter.


nick


But why the pretty blue Knobs?

nick fan
09-15-2008, 09:08 PM
But why the pretty blue Knobs?


well, it is better than all black. :001_smile: I like blue color. It may be better if it is darker.


nick

Terrywoodenpic
09-16-2008, 02:40 AM
well, it is better than all black. :001_smile: I like blue color. It may be better if it is darker.


nick



I am not sure it is sophisticated enough... it does not blend in with modern camera trends..
Black or silver with a red or gold or blue rubber ring, might look the part.

Though as they are will certainly be a talking point.

nick fan
09-17-2008, 02:47 AM
Hi Aussie Ninja,

it is kind of strange. The rotation axis should pass through to the quadrant of the bubble that is cloest to the rail. The two M6 tightening screws should bisect the circle too.
My understanding is there should be 3 circles thouching each other in the nadir image. what do you think?


nick

nick fan
09-17-2008, 06:39 PM
What is shown is the minimal footprint of the Nodal Ninja 180 above.

Here is the footpint Nick suggests and technically more accurate.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t239/smoothimages/panorama_forums/nn180_full_footprint.jpg

Because of the floating (NPP) it is of little consequence as you can be anywhere within around 8mm of the suggested rail settings and achieve good stitching results without parallax issues.
Understand that the BETA NN180 used has the demarcation marks in the wrong place and the pre-release photos shown doesn't show any at all.

Aussie Ninja


Thanks for the tip about NPP. Sorry for my misleading words. I actually meant the quadrant of the spirit level outer casing (not the black circle). When making dual shot pano, the rotation axis should be at the NPP where angle of view is 180 deg. At this setting, you should see a circular (yes, circle) footprint of the rotator.

The rail marking is at one side of the rail. So it is at the side that is not shown in the photo.


nick

psj
10-10-2008, 01:15 AM
Hi guys,

Just got one delivered yesterday. Awesome piece of work, Nick and Bill.

If it came with rubber/plastic plugs to close off unused detent holes then it would be PERFECT.

Did you say I must upgrade to 5D MKII with my Sigma 8mm?

nick fan
10-10-2008, 04:41 AM
Hi guys,

Just got one delivered yesterday. Awesome piece of work, Nick and Bill.

If it came with rubber/plastic plugs to close off unused detent holes then it would be PERFECT.



this is a good suggestion. I will look into its possibility.


Nick

luxford
12-05-2008, 07:27 AM
Hello all,

I just purchased the NN180 and this is my first post so go easy :001_smile:

Does anybody know if/when there will be settings available for the 180? Mine arrived yesterday and there is an element of guesswork involved in setting it up. This is probably a stupid question but where do you align the NP with? My guess is the just behind the bubble but it is not clear?

I will be using a number of cameras with it but mostly a 5D and Sigma DP1. Any feedback from other owners will be much appreciated.

Thanks

Neil

nick fan
12-05-2008, 08:20 AM
Hello all,

I just purchased the NN180 and this is my first post so go easy :001_smile:

Does anybody know if/when there will be settings available for the 180?


Use the upper rail setting from the database for your lens and camera.



Mine arrived yesterday and there is an element of guesswork involved in setting it up. This is probably a stupid question but where do you align the NP with? My guess is the just behind the bubble but it is not clear?


The center of rotation is in line with the 2 screws on the rotator. To get best and reproducible result, you need to use a quick release system. Try to push the the camera mounting plate against one side of the rail. This will eliminate any twisting due to tolerance between the rail and the plate.


Nick

luxford
12-05-2008, 09:11 AM
Thanks

luxford
12-06-2008, 01:11 AM
I have not tried my 5D yet as I need to experiment to get the settings for the sigma 24-70 but it seems that I need to a plate to get the DP1 working as I cannot mount it far enough forward to put the NP over the screws.

nick fan
12-06-2008, 02:37 AM
NN180 is a single row pano head. It is mainly for fisheye lens or DC with fisheye converter. You can get a T-20 adapter to extend your DP-1 forward.


Nick

1000words
05-20-2009, 04:00 PM
Hi all, this is my first post anywhere, never mind on this forum.

Just proves you have a very welcoming and informative forum.

I have a Canon 350 D (rebel) and am keen to get to try taking 360 panos. So was wondering if some one with experience could recommend a fish eye lens , to be used with a soon to be purchased Ninja 180. also a good sturdy tripod, sorry for such a basic 1st post , but you have to start somewhere. Thanks in advance.

nick fan
05-20-2009, 07:18 PM
Hi all, this is my first post anywhere, never mind on this forum.

Just proves you have a very welcoming and informative forum.

I have a Canon 350 D (rebel) and am keen to get to try taking 360 panos. So was wondering if some one with experience could recommend a fish eye lens , to be used with a soon to be purchased Ninja 180. also a good sturdy tripod, sorry for such a basic 1st post , but you have to start somewhere. Thanks in advance.


For 350D to make 360 x 180 deg pano on NN180, you need circular fisheye lens. 2 choices are the sigma 4.5mm and the Sunex 5.6mm
you can also use Sigma 8mm IF AND ONLY IF you have some sort of L-bracket to let you mount the camera in portrait orientation.

nick